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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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 Posted - 10/25/2005 : 07:53:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ronnywhite
I thought you folks were just a bunch of atheists, and it turns out you're Wiccans, Catholics, and the whole bit. I'll bet there are hardened-skeptic Pentacostals, Muslims, and Jehova Witnesses around here, too.
To the point, and sorry if offend devout Wiccan skeptics, I think the way it works is Pagans are really basically atheists, except they have this kind of poetic-like naturalist philosophy-thing going. Wiccans are Pagans, except add-in this metaphysical spell-casting stuff (which I understand doesn't work too well.) I've only met one of each in my life, both were women. I get the impression most Pagans and Wiccans are women.
Then you'd be wrong.
The "spell casting" stuff is no more than prayers to the devine for aid in getting something done. (Best achieved through behavioral changes in the supplicant) You have now met your first male Wiccan. According to a survey done by COG (Covenant of the Goddess, US national association of Wiccans), membership is split pretty evenly.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 10/25/2005 : 08:43:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ronnywhite
To the point, and sorry if offend devout Wiccan skeptics, I think the way it works is Pagans are really basically atheists...
A pagan (with a lowercase P) is anyone who isn't Christian, Muslim or Jewish. A Pagan (with a capital P) is a member of a particular motorcycle gang.
On the other hand, Neo-Paganism is something else entirely.  |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 10/25/2005 : 08:44:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ronnywhite
I thought you folks were just a bunch of atheists, and it turns out you're Wiccans, Catholics, and the whole bit. I'll bet there are hardened-skeptic Pentacostals, Muslims, and Jehova Witnesses around here, too.
Valiant Dancer is our token theist. Comes in very handy when we have to defend against our obvious bias. We even made him a staff member for that reason. Sure he is nuts but why should we care as long as he behaves himself…
Of course, we don't pay him as much as other staff... |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2005 : 09:54:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
quote:
Originally posted by ronnywhite
I thought you folks were just a bunch of atheists, and it turns out you're Wiccans, Catholics, and the whole bit. I'll bet there are hardened-skeptic Pentacostals, Muslims, and Jehova Witnesses around here, too.
Valiant Dancer is our token theist. Comes in very handy when we have to defend against our obvious bias. We even made him a staff member for that reason. Sure he is nuts but why should we care as long as he behaves himself…
Of course, we don't pay him as much as other staff...
Hey! I resemble that remark!!!
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 10/25/2005 : 13:18:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Of course, we don't pay him as much as other staff...
WHAT??? The others get paid? |
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ronnywhite
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Posted - 10/25/2005 : 13:36:38 [Permalink]
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| Wow, do I ever stand corrected. I've been running around a (small-case) pagan all these years, and I was utterly clueless. The only remaining question involves any links to a Rastafarian Skeptic Society. |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
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4826 Posts |
Posted - 10/25/2005 : 13:40:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
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Originally posted by Kil
Of course, we don't pay him as much as other staff...
WHAT??? The others get paid?
What? You don't have to make donations to Kil's Church of the Cosmic Inside Straight?  |
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 10/25/2005 : 22:30:35 [Permalink]
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| I've not been catholic for many years. About mid-way through life in the military, I realized that I really was an atheist. |
...no one has ever found a 4.5 billion year old stone artifact (at the right geological stratum) with the words "Made by God."
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They (Women Marines) don't have a nickname, and they don't need one. They get their basic training in a Marine atmosphere, at a Marine Post. They inherit the traditions of the Marines. They are Marines.
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Subjectmatter
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 10/25/2005 : 22:55:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bunga
I'm pretty sure thats not real, and wikipedia seems to agree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landover_Baptist_Church
I was wondering when you would show your face. Welcome!
a propos wiccan, a friend of mine bought a used car once. Ten years later, BAM! Herpes.
Just a little warning to all of you who think cars are safe...
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ronnywhite
SFN Regular
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Posted - 10/26/2005 : 01:05:44 [Permalink]
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I guess they're indeed "neo-pagan" (proper) but seems they loosely use "Pagan." (Thanks, DaveW, I see the error of my ways.)
http://paganwiccan.about.com/
Valiant Dancer, from what I can see, a female Wiccan prefers to be known as a "Witch." If I understand this right, I take it that means you're a "Warlock." Sounds like a rare creature- a "skeptical warlock"(???)
Trish, sorry, but you were Baptized... too late (God's got ya on the books.)
Subject, I don't quite follow, but thank God (Darwin, whoever) she didn't buy the wrong house, if the wrong vehicle purchase can cause problems like that. |
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Bunga
Skeptic Friend
Sweden
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Posted - 10/26/2005 : 01:39:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Subjectmatter
I was wondering when you would show your face. Welcome!
a propos wiccan, a friend of mine bought a used car once. Ten years later, BAM! Herpes.
Just a little warning to all of you who think cars are safe...
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2005 : 06:27:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ronnywhite
I guess they're indeed "neo-pagan" (proper) but seems they loosely use "Pagan." (Thanks, DaveW, I see the error of my ways.)
http://paganwiccan.about.com/
Valiant Dancer, from what I can see, a female Wiccan prefers to be known as a "Witch." If I understand this right, I take it that means you're a "Warlock." Sounds like a rare creature- a "skeptical warlock"(???)
Negative. Witch is not gender specific within Wicca. Male Wiccans are never called Warlock which is supposed to come from a word meaning oath-breaker.
And I don't seem to be that rare of a breed. Sure, we've got the newage (as opposed to New Age) tinkly crystal-crap Neo-Pagans, but there's quite a few old traditional Witches as well. The ones that focus on the core of the religion instead of the optional divination studies. |
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
9688 Posts |
Posted - 10/26/2005 : 17:30:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bunga
I'm pretty sure thats not real, and wikipedia seems to agree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landover_Baptist_Church
Hello Bunga
Welcome to Skeptic Friends Network.
I hope your stay here with be long and prosperous.
Kul att se så många landsmän här, vi har bara några stycken aktiva från nästgårds, mest holländare. |
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Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 10/26/2005 : 19:30:03 [Permalink]
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Trish, sorry, but you were Baptized... too late (God's got ya on the books.)
Not if I can get myself ex-communicated! I keep trying. |
...no one has ever found a 4.5 billion year old stone artifact (at the right geological stratum) with the words "Made by God."
No Sense of Obligation by Matt Young
"Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith. I consider the capacity for it terrifying and vile!"
Mother Night by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
They (Women Marines) don't have a nickname, and they don't need one. They get their basic training in a Marine atmosphere, at a Marine Post. They inherit the traditions of the Marines. They are Marines.
LtGen Thomas Holcomb, USMC
Commandant of the Marine Corps, 1943
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 10/26/2005 : 21:08:33 [Permalink]
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Kul att se så många landsmän här, vi har bara några stycken aktiva från nästgårds, mest holländare.
Argh! A Wiccan spell! Run for the hills! |
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