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Originally posted by vrwc

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Impeach Bush? Some of you, foregoing, are indulging in a sort of political wet dream. He's done nothing illegal. The "lied us into war" rhetoric has already been disproven. I refer you to the Silverman report from the previous congressional investigation.

For those of you still indulging in the Clinton impeachment "was only about sex" fantasy. I'll remind you about the big part, foreign campaign contributions and the almost (?) treasonous QUID PRO QUO of missle technology to red China arranged by Clinton. We know all of the foreign participants conveniently evaporated into red China (see my earlier list to filthy under the McCarthy heading) so I can't assert that Clinton was guilty. But there is a lot of evidence. That plus the lesser question of Whitewater. Madison S&L cost the txpayers over $80 million. Again, no conviction, but it's not sex.vrwc

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Originally posted by vrwc
The "lied us into war" rhetoric has already been disproven.

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I refer you to the Silverman report from the previous congressional investigation.

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I'll remind you about the big part, foreign campaign contributions and the almost (?) treasonous QUID PRO QUO of missle technology to red China arranged by Clinton.

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... so I can't assert that Clinton was guilty.

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But there is a lot of evidence.

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That plus the lesser question of Whitewater. Madison S&L cost the txpayers over $80 million.

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Again, no conviction, but it's not sex.vrwc

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Originally posted by vrwc

Hi,

Impeach Bush? Some of you, foregoing, are indulging in a sort of political wet dream. He's done nothing illegal. The "lied us into war" rhetoric has already been disproved. I refer you to the Silverman report from the previous congressional investigation....

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By Mortimer B. Zuckerman
Foul-ups--Not Felonies

Were the American people taken into war on false pretenses? That is the mushroom cloud of a question conjured up by the Senate Democrats' imposition of the rare closed-session discussion they held last week. Party leader Harry Reid accuses the Republicans of manipulating intelligence to justify the invasion, a serious charge that excites the media and disturbs a war-weary public. The central question is whether anyone in the executive branch had good reason prior to the war to believe that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

Let's look at the record. The single most important document that reflects the conclusion of all 15 intelligence agencies of our government was the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq of October 2002. This report stated that "Baghdad has chemical and biological weapons, as well as missiles with ranges in excess of U.N. restrictions, and, if left unchecked will probably have a nuclear weapon this decade." No equivocation there. The report justified this conclusion by observing that since the U.N. inspectors left in 1998, "Iraq has maintained its chemical weapons, energized its missile program, and invested more heavily in biological weapons," and "under the cover of civil production, Baghdad is reconstituting its nuclear weapons' program." The 15-agency conclusion was one of "high confidence." CIA Director George Tenet, according to the book by Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward, dramatized this judgment by telling the president that the case on Iraq's possession and pursuit of banned weapons was a "slam dunk."

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Originally posted by Kil

... The fact that this particular prosecutor has brought more democrats than republicans up on charges in his pursuit of prosecuting ethics violations by politicians is by in large ignored by the republican spin machine...

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Originally posted by Starman

According to some Fitzgerald is also a "thug", dealing in "horrible, Stalinesque persecution of Scooter Libby".
http://mediamatters.org/items/200511100012

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...That is just standard business as usual. It is standard business as usual to pass out leaks to reporters in Washington...

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Originally posted by Kil

... The fact that this particular prosecutor has brought more democrats than republicans up on charges in his pursuit of prosecuting ethics violations by politicians is by in large ignored by the republican spin machine...

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That was the Texas prosecutor who indicted Tom Delay. Fitzgerald is actually a Republican.

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About Iraq on the Record
Presented by Rep. Henry A. Waxman

On March 19, 2003, U.S. forces began military operations in Iraq. Addressing the nation about the purpose of the war on the day the bombing began, President Bush stated: “The people of the United States and our friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder.” Two years later, many doubts have been raised regarding the Administration's assertions about the threat posed by Iraq.

Prepared at the direction of Rep. Henry A. Waxman, Iraq on the Record is a searchable collection of 237 specific misleading statements made by Bush Administration officials about the threat posed by Iraq. It contains statements that were misleading based on what was known to the Administration at the time the statements were made. It does not include statements that appear mistaken only in hindsight. If a statement was an accurate reflection of U.S. intelligence at the time it was made, it was excluded even if it now appears erroneous. For more information on how the statements were selected, see the full methodology. The Iraq on the Record Report is a comprehensive examination of these statements.

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Secret CIA Testimony Undermines Bush, Again...

The October 2002 CIA report stated that Iraq had been stockpiling sarin, mustard gas, VX and numerous other chemical weapons. This was in stark contrast to [former CIA Director George] Tenet's earlier reports which said the agency had no evidence to support such claims. And unlike testimony Tenet gave a year earlier, in which he said the CIA had no direct evidence of Iraq's WMD programs, Tenet said the intelligence information in the 2002 report was rock solid.

"It comes to us from credible and reliable sources," Tenet said during a 2003 CIA briefing. "Much of it is corroborated by multiple sources."

The intelligence sources turned out to be Iraqi exiles supplied by then-head of the Iraqi National Congress Ahmed Chalabi, who was paid $330,000 a month by the Pentagon to provide intelligence on Iraq. The exiles' credibility and the veracity of their reports came under scrutiny by the CIA but these reports were championed as smoking gun proof by President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and other members of the Bush administration.

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It contains statements that were misleading based on what was known to the Administration at the time the statements were made. It does not include statements that appear mistaken only in hindsight. If a statement was an accurate reflection of U.S. intelligence at the time it was made, it was excluded even if it now appears erroneous.

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