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GeeMack
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 Posted - 11/16/2005 : 19:40:35
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Dick Cheney once again steps up to prove that he's the biggest pile of steaming dog shit that ever made its way into the position of VP of the US. This guy was at least as vigorous as George W. Bush when it came to lying his way into the mass murder of the citizens of Iraq, and now he's trying to demean and belittle the vast majority of American citizens because we've seen through his sham.quote:
Cheney Says War Critics 'Dishonest, Reprehensible'...
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In the sharpest White House attack yet on critics of the Iraq war, Vice President Dick Cheney said on Wednesday that accusations the Bush administration manipulated intelligence to justify the war were a "dishonest and reprehensible" political ploy.
Cheney called Democrats "opportunists" who were peddling "cynical and pernicious falsehoods" to gain political advantage while U.S. soldiers died in Iraq.
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H. Humbert
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/16/2005 : 19:50:07 [Permalink]
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Remember that before the war whenever anyone questioned the administration's motives for going to war, the response was always "If you only knew what we knew, which unfortunately we can't tell you for security reasons, trust us, you'd realize what a direct threat Sadaam poses. This is something we must do and, just trust us, when everything is revealed you'll be thanking us." What objection could stand up to this claim that the Bush administration simply knew more than us, that they had intelligence we were not privy to, and that they wouldn't steer us wrong?
Now the administration is trying to spin it like "Hey, we were wrong, but so was everyone else who went along with us. Plenty of Democratic Senators voted for the war as well." Were they lied to? You bet your ass they were. We all were. The entire country was conned. And anyone who isn't outraged by this administration's lies is either immoral or a fool.
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"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/17/2005 : 00:35:56 [Permalink]
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And anyone who isn't outraged by this administration's lies is either immoral or a fool.
Yep.
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ronnywhite
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Posted - 11/17/2005 : 01:49:22 [Permalink]
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| I disagree... Cheney is so honest he could have been chosen as Pope... uh, I take that back... how about head of the Moral Majority... ah, never mind. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/17/2005 : 04:55:53 [Permalink]
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist! 
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GeeMack
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Posted - 11/17/2005 : 09:13:32 [Permalink]
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Bush and Cheney Hit Back at Iraq Critics...
The White House today continued its counter-attack over the Iraq war as George Bush backed Dick Cheney's claims that Democratic critics of the conflict were "opportunists".
So, instead of laying it on the line and telling us exactly how they intend to procure their "victory" in Iraq, George W. Bush & Co. continue to stoop to tactics typically employed by school children when they get in an argument they can't possibly win: name calling.quote:
"What bothers me is when people are irresponsibly using their positions and playing politics. That's exactly what is taking place in America," Mr Bush said.
I don't think anyone is going to disagree with that in concept, George, but, but, who was it you said was irresponsibly using their position?quote:
Last night, Mr Cheney launched a blistering attack on critics of the administration over Iraq, saying Democrats were peddling "one of the most dishonest and reprehensible charges ever aired in this city" to gain political advantage while US soldiers died.
This sure sounds like he's still whining about people not honoring the troops. "Ignore the facts and support the troops you unpatriotic heathens!" So, okay Dick, can you detail just how you're going about honoring those troops? After all, a hell of a lot of them are getting wounded and killed in your war.quote:
Responding to Mr Cheney's charges of hypocrisy, Harry Reid, the Democratic leader in the Senate, said "tired rhetoric and political attacks [would] do nothing to get the job done in Iraq".
"This administration intends to 'stay the course' and continue putting their political fortunes ahead of what this country needs - a plan for success," he said on the Senate floor.
Blind allegiance continues to baffle me, but at least a few people in Washington seem to "get it". And so do over half of us (58% now?) who realize what a bad idea it was to initiate this whole war of terror in the first place. And for George, Dick, and the rest of those who don't get it yet, why is it we can't get some simple answers to a short quiz like the following? It shouldn't even require running your brain at full throttle. Okay, take all the time you need.- This is how many American soldiers have died so far: __________, and here is the advantage realized by the American citizens because of it: __________.
- Here's how many billions of dollars that have been poured into the war so far: __________, and up to this point the positive results of this investment are: __________.
- The plan from the beginning was to achieve these particular goals: __________, and so far we've been this sucessful in doing so: __________.
- We've killed this many citizens of Iraq and destroyed this many of their cities: __________, and this is how much better off the people of that nation are for the effort: __________.
We're waiting...
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 11/17/2005 : 10:01:40 [Permalink]
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So Cheney and Bush are now playing the patriot card. What a shock. You are either with them or doing damage to our country. Of course, that is a thinly veiled attempt to curtail free speech and to vilify the opposition with slight of hand. It can't be surprising to anyone that they would resort to that kind of name-calling. “A strong offence is the best defense,” as they say.
Of course it is also said that “"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/17/2005 : 10:58:35 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Kil
So Cheney and Bush are now playing the patriot card. What a shock. You are either with them or doing damage to our country. Of course, that is a thinly veiled attempt to curtail free speech and to vilify the opposition with slight of hand. It can't be surprising to anyone that they would resort to that kind of name-calling. “A strong offence is the best defense,” as they say.
Of course it is also said that “"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
No, the saying is not correct. It is the first.....
History tells us that every represive regime, tinpot dictator, and lynch mob always started with cries of "Patriotism" and "Public safety" whether there was a threat or not. One A. Hitler is a recent, prime example.
But who cares about reading history, eh? Dull stuff, that. Much easier and more emtertaining to watch it being made by those same sorts of scoundrels as they smile and lie through their teeth on the toob. 
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/17/2005 : 11:41:52 [Permalink]
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| I thought about the nonsensical response the White house was pulling since it was so absurd. Then I realized they are only playing to their base. You'll hear all the usual suspects repeating the talking points over the next few days...yawn. Sadly, the idiots who think this admin is on the right track will repeat it back to ease their worried minds. Not even a thought that what they are hearing is, "Hey, everyone screwed up, not just us". Instead, they'll only hear, "the critics are just playing politics". "Out, out you thoughts of incompetence, not our leaders." |
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
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Posted - 11/17/2005 : 11:49:28 [Permalink]
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Oh, in case anyone thinks there isn't another point of view, here's an example of the position taken by the deluded, the blind loyalists, and the profiteers who continue to support George W. Bush and his war of terror against the nation of Iraq and the citizens of the USA. This opinion piece was penned by David Horowitz, writer and conservative political commentator. In case you're not familiar with him, he heads an organization known as the Center for the Study of Popular Culture, which has been described as one of an "array of right-wing foundations and think tanks support[ing] efforts to make bigoted and discredited ideas respectable."quote:
Wrong Argument, Wrong Place, Wrong Time...
False charges that presidents lied us into war are nothing new, nor are the recriminations leveled against President Bush's Iraq war the most outrageous on record. The toxic allegation that FDR knew about Pearl Harbor in advance and deliberately allowed the Japanese to destroy the Pacific fleet to get reluctant Americans to join the war was the subject of a congressional investigation at the time, the subject of a book by America`s leading historian Charles Beard (President Roosevelt and the Coming of the War) and wild accusations by Clare Boothe Luce and others. Recent scholars like John Toland and Robert Stinnett have repeated the charges.
Today, these are generally regarded as fringe accusations, just as the Left`s present mania will seem as such when future generations look back on the conspiracy-theorist opponents of the war for freedom in Iraq.
"War for freedom?" Okay, call me a skeptic (I proudly call myself one), but can it be demonstrated by way of evidence that any substantial amount of freedom is being gained through the American occupation of Iraq? Does any military occupation of any nation ever constitute freedom for the occupied country? And pretty much all of us know that our own freedom has been significantly reduced as one of the accompanying symptoms of the disease in the White House that led to this war. (Google: Patriot Act Free Speech.)
Horowitz goes on to say...quote:
So why is the nation focusing now on a bogus argument about the rationale for the war in Iraq? There is not a shred of evidence that Bush in any way manipulated or falsified intelligence, yet leftists demand investigations in order to breathe new life into conspiracy theories whose only effect can be to encourage our enemies and sap our nation`s will to fight.
"Not a shred of evidence," he says? This report, mentioned by filthy in another thread, seems to indicate very clearly that between March of 2003 and March of 2005, there were over 200 documented misleading statements made by the Bush administration in an effort to garner support for the war of terror against Iraq. In case you missed it, the report is available as a .pdf file (opens in your Adobe Acrobat Reader)...quote:
Iraq on the Record: The Bush Administration's Public Statements on Iraq...
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/17/2005 : 12:21:45 [Permalink]
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The Rude Pundit, as might be expected, has some rude thoughts on the matter:
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11/17/2005
Dick Cheney Rises and Slimes:
The viscous, shit-smelling goo that forms the life ooze of netherworld evil that pollutes the soil of the earth once again shifted itself into the shape of Vice President Dick Cheney yesterday when it opened its horrible maw and spat forth at Ronald Reagan Gala of the Frontiers of Freedom Institute. This'd be the same group that, in its recent "Freedom Report," said of war protesters and others who dissent with the Bush administration, "Who benefits from this constitutionally protected, but irresponsible speech? The terrorists and their recruiters."
The Vice President slouched to the dais to honor former Wyoming Senator Malcolm Wallop, crazed dog founder of the FFI, who said in an interview, "The concept of minimum wage is crazy, if you really stop to think about it. If $8 an hour seems right, why not $20 an hour? If it's coming by order of the government, why stop at any level? Why not just say everyone should get what Gates gets?" and other bugfuck insane shit.
The man is scum -- Cheney that is, not The Rude Pundit, who, I'm beginning to suspect, walks on water.....
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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ronnywhite
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Posted - 11/17/2005 : 22:01:04 [Permalink]
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Rude Pundit- their rants are too sensitive-sounding as they attempt to delicately handle affairs involving the powers-that-be, and they use far-too-much diplomatic, euphemistic language. They need to be more blunt, and stop trying to appease, and play kissy-assy patsy-cake with the politicians : )
But seriously, statements of the congressman from PA and the reaction today make me think discontent with the Iraq situation might be getting seriously hot. If the mood of the country and in Washington were accurately portrayed by the Nightly New Hour, good chance lack of public support will force some kind of withdrawal soon, maybe 6 months as he suggested. Some influential Republicans insist a more long-term transition period, followed by a controlled exit after Iraq is better-prepared would leave the country less-vulnerable and better able to maintain stability, and that seems to be what is implied by the administrations statements... but I'm not sure they're going to have much of a choice in the matter, as recent sentiments might suggest. |
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Chippewa
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Posted - 11/18/2005 : 01:32:36 [Permalink]
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In 1922, after completing his dramatic 5th Symphony, the Danish composer Carl Nielsen wrote:
"Patriotism has become a spiritual syphilis that devours the brains and grins out through empty eye sockets with moronic hate!"
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 11/18/2005 : 02:58:51 [Permalink]
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A little off topic maybe, but I had to put it somewhere....
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"Patriotism has become a spiritual syphilis that devours the brains and grins out through empty eye sockets with moronic hate!"
Too true, too true.
Like most anything else, patriotism is only as firm as those who embrace it. The "my country right or wrong" cretins, who abhor any dissent whatsoever, are patriots only in the rhetortic -- the Swift Boat Vermin come to mind as well as some of the more rabid religious groups.
Thanks for posting it, Chip.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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GeeMack
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Posted - 11/18/2005 : 07:56:52 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy...
A little off topic maybe, but I had to put it somewhere....
Oh, it's not off topic, filthy. Certainly part of the issue with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rice is the repercussions of the ways they're acting on their delusions. The results of the next election, and of every future election for that matter, should have some bearing on the way the American citizens are being treated by this warmongering cabal.
When we ask George W. Bush to be specific about his plan for "success" in Iraq, he and Dick Cheney respond by telling us we are dishonest and reprehensible for even asking. We should be offended, and it seems most of us are. Only a total moron, or someone as completely detached from reality as George Bush himself, could possibly consider voting to put any of the members of the current presidential administration back in office.
Donald Rumsfeld certainly doesn't want to bring home the troops any more than do his partners in crime, Bush and Cheney. While in Australia yesterday cheerleading for his deluded boss, he made comments that show his vision is for a permanent occupation of Iraq.quote:
Rumsfeld Rejects Growing Withdrawal Calls...
Rumsfeld said as Iraqi forces took more control of their own security, it would enable U.S. forces to be diverted to other assignments within Iraq.
"What you'll see over the period ahead is that the Iraqi security forces will be handed over responsibility for pieces of real estate, for certain types of missions and assignments," Rumsfeld told reporters after talks with Australian ministers.
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GeeMack
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Posted - 11/18/2005 : 08:48:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ronnywhite...
But seriously, statements of the congressman from PA and the reaction today make me think discontent with the Iraq situation might be getting seriously hot. If the mood of the country and in Washington were accurately portrayed by the Nightly New Hour, good chance lack of public support will force some kind of withdrawal soon, maybe 6 months as he suggested.
It's good that people are noticing Representative John P. Murtha (D - PA). Here's a guy who has seen it from the inside, a guy who was initially one of George W. Bush's most ardent supporters of the Iraq fiasco. He's had plenty of time to rethink his position. He's made observations and analyses, and has determined that the American occupation of Iraq is not a good thing and it should be ended. Read more about it, including the White House response that we're all waving white flags, rolling over to surrender to the terrorists, and their catchy little talking points like, "John Murtha = Michael Moore," etc. Here are some articles...Oh, hell, why stop there? Here's a link to Google's listing of over 1,000 articles on the issue. Take your pick.
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