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furshur
SFN Regular
USA
1536 Posts |
 Posted - 11/29/2005 : 11:10:30
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Well I don't think he is stupid just evil.
The quote below is by Col Lawrence Wilkerson, in an article found here. The Col. was a top aide to former Secretary of State Colin Powell.
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Cheney must have sincerely believed that Iraq could be a training ground for terrorists, because "otherwise I have to declare him a moron, an idiot or a nefarious bastard."
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
USA
1093 Posts |
 Posted - 11/29/2005 : 14:21:44 [Permalink]
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I'll go along with the moron or idiot hypothesis. To describe the Bush/Cheney war of terror against the people of Iraq as a fiasco would be an understatement. Those who continue to support it are clearly naive, gullible, stupid, or mentally ill. There seems to be a consensus on the part of those dangerous thinkers (or non-thinkers as is so often the case) that the US should stick it out until this war is won. I have yet to hear any of them describe what might constitute "winning". In general the historians and military strategists don't see it as winnable, if for no other reason than the fact that there has never been a goal established. End terrorism by increasing terrorism? Yep, idiot.quote:
Nowhere to Run...
To describe Iraq as the most foolish war of the last 2,014 years is a sweeping statement, but the writer is well qualified to know.
He is Martin van Creveld, a professor at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem and one of the world's foremost military historians. Several of his books have influenced modern military theory and he is the only non-American author on the US Army's list of required reading for officers.
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"As the pullout proceeds," he warns, "Iraq almost certainly will sink into an all-out civil war from which it will take the country a long time to emerge - if, indeed, it can do so at all. All this is inevitable and will take place whether George W Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Condoleezza Rice like it or not."
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2005 : 00:23:09 [Permalink]
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I'll go along with the moron or idiot hypothesis.
It would be a mistake to classify Cheney in such a way.
They guy is smart, and completely free from ethical restraint.
He is a greedy sociopath, and will do anything he wants to as long as he thinks he can escape punishment for it.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 11/30/2005 : 02:58:12 [Permalink]
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I think the whole batch of them are still living in the Ugly American era where commie threats are invading college campuses and tricking the children into believing capitalism isn't perfect.
The batch really thought a completely different culture (Iraqis) were going to turn into Americans as soon as we freed them from their 'no longer in the US's favor' dictator. I doubt any of those Bushies have a clue that everyone on the planet does not see the world through John Wayne glasses.
Everything they believed in the Nixon era that was wrong somehow failed to self correct when everyone else finally figured it out. These idiots went and made every bad decision from that time over again. They crawled back up from the pit they fell into after Vietnam and unfortunately someone let them back into the circle. |
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 11/30/2005 : 18:36:18 [Permalink]
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Here's an article from another interview with Lawrence Wilkerson containing some more of what he has to say about Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush...quote:
Cheney 'Created Climate for US War Crimes'...
Lawrence Wilkerson, General Powell's chief of staff until January this year, alleged that US policy on Iraq before and after the March 2003 invasion had been hijacked by an alliance between Mr Cheney and the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld fostered by President George Bush's "detached" attitude to details of post-war planning.
He also suggested that the faulty intelligence used to justify the war had been at the least "cherry-picked" by the White House and the Pentagon.
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Until recently, Col Wilkerson said, he had tended to accept the White House explanation that along with the intelligence services of Britain, Germany and other countries the CIA and other US agencies had simply been fooled over Iraq's presumed weapons threat. "You begin to wonder, was this intelligence spun? Was it politicised? Was it cherry-picked? I am beginning to have my concerns," Col Wilkerson said.
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