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(bill) Once more nice and slow. Snake guy and Tommy H. as well as others have told me the reason for the programming is survival of species. In order to program for survival of the species (not individual creature) foreknowledge and reason must be applied. The skeptics have know unwitedly proposed that NS programs for a reason. IN THIS CONTEXT it takes a reason to have a reason.
Okay, I think we can accept that you simply don't posses the brainpower and/or communication skills necessary to understand, but for the last time, this is how it works: Random mutations create differences in living things which make it more (or less) likely that a particular living thing will survive its environment and breed to produce more like itself. If you have a notion to the contrary, you have yet to provide a description of your notion.
So you still haven't answered the question. What does cause those differences between members of a species? We all know a longer haired dog is better equipped to survive a colder climate, and is therefore more likely to reproduce and its species to endure. But what does cause one dog to have the longer hair that helps it survive colder environments? Magic? And with your reply, please provide references to your evidence.
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Posted - 12/28/2005 : 11:16:38 [Permalink]
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take 26: Long haired dogs live where it is cold and so on and so forth
Why do some dogs have long hair and others short hair in the first place?
Why won't you address your main point anymore, and instead focus on these trivialities?
(bill) When dogs breed not all traits are passed on from the parents. Some are and some are not. Just like in people. My dad was bald by the time he was 25 while his brother had hair well in to his 40's. Me and my brother both are enjoying a full head of hair well into our late 30's while my other two brothers both lost most of their hair by 30. Of the male off spring between me and my brothers some will be folicly challanged and some not. Just like my dad and his brothers were and just like my brothers and I. If me and my brothers were to move north the two with the most hair would have a better chance of survival in frigid climates. As we reproduce our offspring with the most hair would survive at a better rate then bald off spring. Just like with a dog. In just a few short generations you could have a breed of comlete long haired dogs without a single mutaion required or the billions of years it would have took a set of random mutations to perform this task. |
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GeeMack
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Posted - 12/28/2005 : 11:23:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill Scott...
In just a few short generations you could have a breed of comlete long haired dogs without a single mutaion required or the billions of years it would have took a set of random mutations to perform this task.
We all know that there are small (and sometimes large) changes in the specific details of creatures (and all other living things for that matter) between one generation and the next. We've said that, and you've said that. On that point we obviously agree. But you still haven't answered the question. If random mutation isn't the cause of those changes, what is the cause? How do those changes come about? Magic? And if you ever do answer the question, please provide references to your evidence.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 12/28/2005 : 11:53:04 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
I really wish you would learn to use the quote function - or do you do this intentionally to make it hard for people to respond?
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So just because private citizen pulled Johnny out of a failing system it is their fault that the system was/did fail? Oh right.
That's not the only reason. Private citizens also fail to elect competent school boards (probably should not even be an elected position) and do not vote to allocate the correct resources. They also vote in legislators who don't give a damn about the school system. But it is private citizen's fault.
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Lucky them. They get to spend THEIR OWN money on THEIR kids education rather then give the money to uncle sam and let the government indoctrinate their kids.
So I guess you aren't opposed to no one paying any taxes and everyone provides for their police, fire, defense, etc? You live in Montana out in the woods? We live a social contract. That means we all pay for things which we may or may not agree with. My tax money goes to things I hate, but it is one of the things I give up in order to live in this country. Are you that unpatriotic? Read the preamble sometime.
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This is not the fault of HS and private school they have to work to. What only PS children have parents that work?
If both parents work, then how is a child homeschooled? Private school is only avaiable to the wealthy. I should have been more clear that public school is available to parents that work and can't afford private school. I apologize.
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would have yanked my kid as well. I feel sorry for the kid who is forced into public schools but leaving my kid in is not an option. All the kids were yanked from PS because the school failed, they were not the reason for the failure.
It is a system. One thing affects the other. Yanking the kids, taking away money, these things contribute. But they are not the only reasons; I stated a few.
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Oh yeah, so little Johnny getting a job at the machine shop has nothing to do with if he can read a micrometer or not but all hinges on if Johnny can answer who or what first crawled out of the warm little pond. Oh good grief.
You prove my point with this statement.
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that is NDEP playbook for the failing PS
And?
That's not the only reason. Private citizens also fail to elect competent school boards (probably should not even be an elected position) and do not vote to allocate the correct resources. They also vote in legislators who don't give a damn about the school system. But it is private citizen's fault.
(bill) Maybe you should get out there and run for the school board then?
So I guess you aren't opposed to no one paying any taxes and everyone provides for their police, fire, defense, etc?
(Bill) I propose paying taxes while the PS leave indoctrination of a particular philosophy up to the parents of said student instead of taking it upon themselves.
You live in Montana out in the woods?
(bill) never been there
We live a social contract. That means we all pay for things which we may or may not agree with. My tax money goes to things I hate, but it is one of the things I give up in order to live in this country.
(bill) I agree
Are you that unpatriotic?
(bill) No. You ask this just because I don't send my kids to PS? I still pay my property tax and all others even though I don't even use the PS.
If both parents work, then how is a child homeschooled?
(bill) It is the same for all. Many homeschool parents have given up on two incomes and forfeited the lake cottage and boat so that they can homeschool. They consider the well being of their kids worth the sacrifice. Some parents choose to have both of them working so they can afford the lake cottage and that is their choice.
Private school is only avaiable to the wealthy.
(bill) This not the wealthy parents fault. They pay their taxes in abundance to support "public education" if their kids attends or not. If they do not approve of PE and have the means to pull their kid this is their right, it is not unpatriotic, nor is it there fault that others, for whatever reason, might not be able to do the same even if they wanted to.
I should have been more clear that public school is available to parents that work and can't afford private school. I apologize.
(bill) fine but the fact remains that the public schools have far more money thrown at them by uncle sam then do the private schools who charge parents tuition. The PS still is lagging behind despite having a much bigger budget no matter if working parents pay the bills of uncle sam. And the homeschooled and private parents pay twice.
It is a system. One thing affects the other. Yanking the kids, taking away money, these things contribute. But they are not the only reasons; I stated a few.
(bill) maybe losing students at an alarming rate will cause the PS to clean up it's act? Maybe not?
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Bill scott
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Posted - 12/28/2005 : 11:56:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
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Originally posted by Bill Scott...
(bill) Once more nice and slow. Snake guy and Tommy H. as well as others have told me the reason for the programming is survival of species. In order to program for survival of the species (not individual creature) foreknowledge and reason must be applied. The skeptics have know unwitedly proposed that NS programs for a reason. IN THIS CONTEXT it takes a reason to have a reason.
Okay, I think we can accept that you simply don't posses the brainpower and/or communication skills necessary to understand, but for the last time, this is how it works: Random mutations create differences in living things which make it more (or less) likely that a particular living thing will survive its environment and breed to produce more like itself. If you have a notion to the contrary, you have yet to provide a description of your notion.
So you still haven't answered the question. What does cause those differences between members of a species? We all know a longer haired dog is better equipped to survive a colder climate, and is therefore more likely to reproduce and its species to endure. But what does cause one dog to have the longer hair that helps it survive colder environments? Magic? And with your reply, please provide references to your evidence.
Okay, I think we can accept that you simply don't posses the brainpower and/or communication skills necessary to understand, but for the last time, this is how it works: Random mutations create differences in living things which make it more (or less) likely that a particular living thing will survive its environment and breed to produce more like itself.
(bill) Random mutations cause misinformation every time. They do not create improvements to complex codes and programs weather caused by accident or a reason.
If you have a notion to the contrary, you have yet to provide a description of your notion.
(bill) Long hair dogs will survive in the cold.
So you still haven't answered the question. What does cause those differences between members of a species?
(bill) For the dogs? Moving north.
We all know a longer haired dog is better equipped to survive a colder climate, and is therefore more likely to reproduce and its species to endure. But what does cause one dog to have the longer hair that helps it survive colder environments? Magic?
(bill) And man with a full head of hair will produce many sons with a full head of hair. However it is not that uncommon for a man with hair to have a bald son. If the man moved north his sons with hair would be more likely to survive and reproduce to create more off spring. Again most with hair but some without. After just a few generations you will be hard pressed to find a bald descendent among those who moved north. Same with dogs but to a higher degree as the bald man could just buy a hat but dogs really do count on their long hair to survive in cold.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/28/2005 : 12:02:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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It is still a cost that goes to providing security and less towards instructional material.
(bill) And they still are one of the most funded operations of the US government after money is taken out for security and they continue to perform at a sub par level when considering the billions spent each year on PE.
You have that in any large gathering of people.
(bill) you never had it to this degree in years gone by at the PS. Heck now PS hire out police officers just to monitor the rest rooms. And this is in the teachers lounge.
You don't like evolution.
(bill) It not that I don't like macro evolution I just don't except it. To many missing holes and just so stories for me. You might say it brings the skeptic out in me.
Neither does science. Thats why macro-evolution is the cumulative effect of many micro-evolutionary changes. The changes pile up before something changes phylums. But, then again, it's not evolutionary theory either. Evolution (the fact) says critters change into other critters over generations. The Nylon bug illustrates this. You chose to ignore it.
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It does nothing to bolster your refuted allegation that illiteracy is rampant in PS.
(bill) Evolution? No. Job applicants yes.
I am once again going to ask you to provide some sort of metric or study which gives any sort of evidence for your baseless allegation. You've had job applicants which stood out for their glaring lack of critical thinking or lack of comprehension of English. Show me how this is the norm and not the product of your skewed worldview. I've provided sources which refute your anectdotal evidence.
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The fees that are collected from PS families at registration don't get collected from HS families.
(bill) These are for books which the HS kids do not use. Property taxes are collected from HSing parents and used to fund the PS juggernaut.
Is that what "Activity fee" means? I may be misinformed concerning that. Do elaborate on your absurd and unfounded accusations.
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The HS families have to (gasp) PAY for the activity. How shocking.
(bill) They have to pay for it TWICE bro. The PS double dips and is funded to the tune of 800 billion annually by tax payers abroad and is not producing at all from what is pumped into them.
Except that they don't. The Activity Fee levied on students enrolled in the school pays for those programs. The fees that are not collected from HS students. Property taxes tend to be used to keep up the buildings, purchase new texts, and salaries for instructional and administrative staff.
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And that would be what? 1? 2? The allegation is bullshit by every metric available. Prove your allegation.
(bill) Besides my visits to PS I interview candidates for white collar work and I am to view resumes from all walks of life. Many applicants from a PS back ground are just out classed. This is real world bro.
I see, so you pulled the accusation out of your ass and did no real research. You merely view your experiences with people as indicative of the nation in general and their educational standards. You have no studies to back you up, no metrics to support your position, nothing.
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Nope. They tried something new and innovative. It didn't work.
(bill) "inventive"? To pass kids who failed? Only in PS...
Where did I say "inventive"? I said "innovative". Perhaps a remedial English class could clear up your confusion.
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They were in touch with the communities they served because the people complaining the loudest were the parents of the failing children who were insisting that their kids be promoted.
(bill) And so they graduate kids who can not read or write because the parents wanted them to? Just great!
Well, there were the lawsuits. But, again, we are talking about a PAST program not a CURRENT program. Blame the litigious nature of the times for that one. Not the school board who caved instead of going through the additional expense (another one the HS don't have) of defending themselves against nusiance suits.
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There's that "common sense" arguement that you trot out when you have no clue about what you're talking about.
(bill) Yeah what was I thinking of passing kids with failing grades and midnight basket ball as being void of common sense? The results speak for themselves.
You seem to be under the impression that either a scholl is thriving or it is declining. Improvement takes time. The inner city schools are improving. Even with slashed budgets due to economic crises.
(bill) The PS have had years and billions of dollars poured into them and they still are in a state of disarray.
Over 50 states, and hundreds of thousands of school districts with as many buildings to upkeep. Scope, fellah.
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Now, take the real number of teachers involved in this, and not another baseless allegation, compared to the whole number of teachers. It's not that large of a percentage.
(bill) These are just the women who have been caught. For every 1 that is busted 10 get away with it.
And your evidence for this figure pulled out of your ass is...... what?
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About the same as HS sexual abuse
(bill) wrong
"A disturbing fact continues to surface in sex abuse research. The first best predictor of abuse is alcohol or drug addiction in the father. But the second best predictor is conservative religiosity, accompanied by parental belief in traditional male-female roles. This means that if you want to know which children are most likely to be sexually abused by their father, the second most significant clue is *whether or not the parents belong to a conservative religious group with trad |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 12/28/2005 : 12:07:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
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Originally posted by Bill Scott...
In just a few short generations you could have a breed of comlete long haired dogs without a single mutaion required or the billions of years it would have took a set of random mutations to perform this task.
We all know that there are small (and sometimes large) changes in the specific details of creatures (and all other living things for that matter) between one generation and the next. We've said that, and you've said that. On that point we obviously agree. But you still haven't answered the question. If random mutation isn't the cause of those changes, what is the cause? How do those changes come about? Magic? And if you ever do answer the question, please provide references to your evidence.
No not magic but bitter cold is the cause of these changes. As the dogs move north the bitter cold will freeze to death the dogs with short hair while the long hair dogs will survive. The farther north you go and the colder it gets the longer haired dogs survive at a much higher rate then med. to short hair. Once in the artic circle you have only long hair dogs because all else would freeze to death. These dogs produce with dogs of said kind and bango you have artic dogs. And amoung the artic dogs themselves the ones with the most hair will survive the cold yet even making more artic dogs as they breed with said kind. So to answer your question in regards to the dogs moving north bitter cold is the agent for change. |
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pleco
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Posted - 12/28/2005 : 12:16:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
(bill) Maybe you should get out there and run for the school board then?
A totally meaningless statement.
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(Bill) I propose paying taxes while the PS leave indoctrination of a particular philosophy up to the parents of said student instead of taking it upon themselves.
Which science is philosophy? Biology, physics, chemistry? Math? Logic? So what to you propose to ban? Besides, you haven't proven your point and have been refuted numerous times in this thread.
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(bill) No. You ask this just because I don't send my kids to PS? I still pay my property tax and all others even though I don't even use the PS.
No, I ask this because you advocate not providing tax money to those parts of the government you don't appvoe of.
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(bill) It is the same for all. Many homeschool parents have given up on two incomes and forfeited the lake cottage and boat so that they can homeschool. They consider the well being of their kids worth the sacrifice. Some parents choose to have both of them working so they can afford the lake cottage and that is their choice.
How do they earn income? Welfare? Yes it is their choice. I have no problem with their choice.
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(bill) This not the wealthy parents fault. They pay their taxes in abundance to support "public education" if their kids attends or not. If they do not approve of PE and have the means to pull their kid this is their right, it is not unpatriotic, nor is it there fault that others, for whatever reason, might not be able to do the same even if they wanted to.
They don't pay their fair share of taxes.
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(bill) fine but the fact remains that the public schools have far more money thrown at them by uncle sam then do the private schools who charge parents tuition. The PS still is lagging behind despite having a much bigger budget no matter if working parents pay the bills of uncle sam. And the homeschooled and private parents pay twice.
More money, but the public school system is much larger. So can you show the public school system gets more money on average per school?
Our kids are not being educated in science both in public school s ystem and in church/homeschool (assuming the homeschool is due to religious reasons). This is already affecting the nation as other nations advance farther ahead, it is exacerbating the dumbing down of our culture. Other nations, particulary Western Europe and Japan, do not have a problem teaching the sciences correctly to their kids, and they have the data to back it up.
We ignore our public schools and the teaching of science at our own peril.
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pleco
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Posted - 12/28/2005 : 12:17:27 [Permalink]
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No not magic but bitter cold is the cause of these changes. As the dogs move north the bitter cold will freeze to death the dogs with short hair while the long hair dogs will survive. The farther north you go and the colder it gets the longer haired dogs survive at a much higher rate then med. to short hair. Once in the artic circle you have only long hair dogs because all else would freeze to death. These dogs produce with dogs of said kind and bango you have artic dogs. And amoung the artic dogs themselves the ones with the most hair will survive the cold yet even making more artic dogs as they breed with said kind. So to answer your question in regards to the dogs moving north bitter cold is the agent for change.
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 12/28/2005 : 12:52:26 [Permalink]
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So you still haven't answered the question. What does cause those differences between members of a species?
(bill) For the dogs? Moving north.
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I have little interest in the hair of the dawg, even when I've been drinkin'. I have a great deal of interest in the statement that all mutations are harmful, and I would like to see some professional reference on it, and not from Bertha's Kitty Boutique. Thus far, we have been asked to take the word of a layman and that ain't hittin' on shit. We wouldn't even take each other's unsupported word on such a topic, and that includes the mods.
So I again join the chorus: references, please....
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Bill scott
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Posted - 12/28/2005 : 13:03:44 [Permalink]
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[quote]Originally posted by Bill scott
Originally posted by Bill scott
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Originally posted by Bill scott
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I've provided sources which refute your anectdotal evidence.
Neither does science. Thats why macro-evolution is the cumulative effect of many micro-evolutionary changes. The changes pile up before something changes phylums.
(bill) This is why we have the millions of TF stuffed in all our NHMs right?
But, then again, it's not evolutionary theory either. Evolution (the fact) says critters change into other critters over generations.
(bill) So with his magic won he renames TOE.
The Nylon bug illustrates this. You chose to ignore it.
(bill) Yawn.
I am once again going to ask you to provide some sort of metric or study which gives any sort of evidence for your baseless allegation. You've had job applicants which stood out for their glaring lack of critical thinking or lack of comprehension of English. Show me how this is the norm and not the product of your skewed worldview. I've provided sources which refute your anectdotal evidence.
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Private school students generally perform higher than their public school counterparts on standardized achievement tests. As with earlier results from the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), private school students performed higher than public school students on the NAEP: 2000 tests. Their average scores were above those of public school students on the 4th-grade reading test and on the 4th-, 8th-, and 12th-grade science and mathematics proficiency tests.
Private high schools typically have more demanding graduation requirements than do public high schools. Compared with public schools, private schools required more coursework (in 4-year high school programs) in 1999-2000 in social studies, mathematics, science, foreign language, and computer science. For example private schools required on average 3.1 years of mathematics, while public schools required 2.7 years. The figures for foreign language study also differed: 1.5 years at private schools but 0.5 years at public schools. In addition, about 40 percent of private schools required some form of community service for high school graduation, four times the rate for public schools (10 percent).
Private school students are more likely than public school students to complete a bachelor's or advanced degree by their mid-20s. Data from the National Education Longitudinal Study of 1988, "Fourth Follow-up" (NELS: 1988/2000) show that students who had attended private school in 8th grade were twice as likely as those who had attended public school to have completed a bachelor's or higher degree by their mid-20s (52 versus 26 percent) and far less likely to not complete a post-secondary education.
Resources Much of the statistics in this article was found in reports by the NCES Schools and Staffing Survey (SASS: 1999-2000), the National Assessment of Educational Progress High School Transcript Study of 1998 (NAEP: 1998), the NAEP: 2000 student achievement tests, and the National Education Longitudinal Study of 1988, "Fourth Follow-up" (NELS: 1988/2000).
Except that they don't. The Activity Fee levied on students enrolled in the school pays for those programs. The fees that are not collected from HS students. Property taxes tend to be used to keep up the buildings, purchase new texts, and salaries for instructional and administrative staff.
(bill) Like I said they pay twice bro.
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GeeMack
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Posted - 12/28/2005 : 13:27:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill Scott...
Originally posted by me...
We all know a longer haired dog is better equipped to survive a colder climate, and is therefore more likely to reproduce and its species to endure. But what does cause one dog to have the longer hair that helps it survive colder environments? Magic?
And man with a full head of hair will produce many sons with a full head of hair. However it is not that uncommon for a man with hair to have a bald son. If the man moved north his sons with hair would be more likely to survive and reproduce to create more off spring. Again most with hair but some without. After just a few generations you will be hard pressed to find a bald descendent among those who moved north. Same with dogs but to a higher degree as the bald man could just buy a hat but dogs really do count on their long hair to survive in cold.
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No not magic but bitter cold is the cause of these changes. As the dogs move north the bitter cold will freeze to death the dogs with short hair while the long hair dogs will survive. The farther north you go and the colder it gets the longer haired dogs survive at a much higher rate then med. to short hair. Once in the artic circle you have only long hair dogs because all else would freeze to death. These dogs produce with dogs of said kind and bango you have artic dogs. And amoung the artic dogs themselves the ones with the most hair will survive the cold yet even making more artic dogs as they breed with said kind. So to answer your question in regards to the dogs moving north bitter cold is the agent for change.
Only a true imbecile would be able to miss what I'm about to say, so this might be quite a challenge for you, Bill Scott. Pay attention. The dogs with longer hair survived after they were exposed to the cold. Their hair did not grow longer because of the cold. What did cause their hair to be longer? When that litter of puppies was born, before momma doggy packed up her family and moved north (ya dumbshit), some of those puppies had longer hair than others. How did they get that longer hair in the first place? Was it (a) random mutation, or was it (b) magic? And with your reply, please provide references to your evidence.
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 12/28/2005 : 13:27:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott:
Private school students generally perform higher than their public school counterparts on standardized achievement tests. As with earlier results from the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), private school students performed higher than public school students on the NAEP: 2000 tests. Their average scores were above those of public school students on the 4th-grade reading test and on the 4th-, 8th-, and 12th-grade science and mathematics proficiency tests.
Private high schools typically have more demanding graduation requirements than do public high schools. Compared with public schools, private schools required more coursework (in 4-year high school programs) in 1999-2000 in social studies, mathematics, science, foreign language, and computer science. For example private schools required on average 3.1 years of mathematics, while public schools required 2.7 years. The figures for foreign language study also differed: 1.5 years at private schools but 0.5 years at public schools. In addition, about 40 percent of private schools required some form of community service for high school graduation, four times the rate for public schools (10 percent).
Private school students are more likely than public school students to complete a bachelor's or advanced degree by their mid-20s. Data from the National Education Longitudinal Study of 1988, "Fourth Follow-up" (NELS: 1988/2000) show that students who had attended private school in 8th grade were twice as likely as those who had attended public school to have completed a bachelor's or higher degree by their mid-20s (52 versus 26 percent) and far less likely to not complete a post-secondary education.
Resources Much of the statistics in this article was found in reports by the NCES Schools and Staffing Survey (SASS: 1999-2000), the National Assessment of Educational Progress High School Transcript Study of 1998 (NAEP: 1998), the NAEP: 2000 student achievement tests, and the National Education Longitudinal Study of 1988, "Fourth Follow-up" (NELS: 1988/2000).
Bill, its obvious by the correct spelling and grammar that you did not write this. You should make it clear in your posts (like by using the "quote" function), when you are copying and pasting from another source, and provide a link to that source.
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