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(bill) Maybe you should get out there and run for the school board then?

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A totally meaningless statement.

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(Bill) I propose paying taxes while the PS leave indoctrination of a particular philosophy up to the parents of said student instead of taking it upon themselves.

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Which science is philosophy? Biology, physics, chemistry? Math? Logic? So what to you propose to ban? Besides, you haven't proven your point and have been refuted numerous times in this thread.

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(bill) No. You ask this just because I don't send my kids to PS? I still pay my property tax and all others even though I don't even use the PS.

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No, I ask this because you advocate not providing tax money to those parts of the government you don't appvoe of.

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(bill) It is the same for all. Many homeschool parents have given up on two incomes and forfeited the lake cottage and boat so that they can homeschool. They consider the well being of their kids worth the sacrifice. Some parents choose to have both of them working so they can afford the lake cottage and that is their choice.

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How do they earn income? Welfare? Yes it is their choice. I have no problem with their choice.

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(bill) This not the wealthy parents fault. They pay their taxes in abundance to support "public education" if their kids attends or not. If they do not approve of PE and have the means to pull their kid this is their right, it is not unpatriotic, nor is it there fault that others, for whatever reason, might not be able to do the same even if they wanted to.

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They don't pay their fair share of taxes.

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(bill) fine but the fact remains that the public schools have far more money thrown at them by uncle sam then do the private schools who charge parents tuition. The PS still is lagging behind despite having a much bigger budget no matter if working parents pay the bills of uncle sam. And the homeschooled and private parents pay twice.

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More money, but the public school system is much larger. So can you show the public school system gets more money on average per school?

Our kids are not being educated in science both in public school s ystem and in church/homeschool (assuming the homeschool is due to religious reasons). This is already affecting the nation as other nations advance farther ahead, it is exacerbating the dumbing down of our culture. Other nations, particulary Western Europe and Japan, do not have a problem teaching the sciences correctly to their kids, and they have the data to back it up.

We ignore our public schools and the teaching of science at our own peril.

I assume when it gets bad enough we will just declare more enemies and bomb them while the dumb public applauds.

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I have little interest in the hair of the dawg, even when I've been drinkin'.

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(bill) yawn

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(bill) No just the ones I do not use. I don't approve of some of our military operations but I still am sure glad we have the military and no problem paying taxes to so.

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(bill) Your going to play the "rich people don't pay there fair share of taxes" card? Oh brother? Your not one of those redistribution of wealth guys are you?

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(bill) I sense a little political turmoil here.

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We all know a longer haired dog is better equipped to survive a colder climate, and is therefore more likely to reproduce and its species to endure. But what does cause one dog to have the longer hair that helps it survive colder environments? Magic?

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And man with a full head of hair will produce many sons with a full head of hair. However it is not that uncommon for a man with hair to have a bald son. If the man moved north his sons with hair would be more likely to survive and reproduce to create more off spring. Again most with hair but some without. After just a few generations you will be hard pressed to find a bald descendent among those who moved north. Same with dogs but to a higher degree as the bald man could just buy a hat but dogs really do count on their long hair to survive in cold.

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No not magic but bitter cold is the cause of these changes. As the dogs move north the bitter cold will freeze to death the dogs with short hair while the long hair dogs will survive. The farther north you go and the colder it gets the longer haired dogs survive at a much higher rate then med. to short hair. Once in the artic circle you have only long hair dogs because all else would freeze to death. These dogs produce with dogs of said kind and bango you have artic dogs. And amoung the artic dogs themselves the ones with the most hair will survive the cold yet even making more artic dogs as they breed with said kind. So to answer your question in regards to the dogs moving north bitter cold is the agent for change.

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Only a true imbecile would be able to miss what I'm about to say, so this might be quite a challenge for you, Bill Scott. Pay attention. The dogs with longer hair survived after they were exposed to the cold. Their hair did not grow longer because of the cold. What did cause their hair to be longer? When that litter of puppies was born, before momma doggy packed up her family and moved north (ya dumbshit), some of those puppies had longer hair than others. How did they get that longer hair in the first place? Was it (a) random mutation, or was it (b) magic? And with your reply, please provide references to your evidence.

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Ah ha! The DNA was programmed from the beginning! By something....but then you mean DNA has in it pre-programmed everything it will ever do? Where would this be stored?

Do you mean the first DNA strand from the first organism had all future DNA variations in it? And our DNA has in it all future variations? How far in the future does this go?

So we were right afterall: you are just another IDer with no science to back up your "observations" and a completely misunderstood idea of what evolutionary theory is.

Since you refuse to back up any statement you make in regard to evolutionary theory with ANYTHING, why should anyone continue to waste their time discussing this with you.

YAWN.

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Originally posted by Bill Scott...

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What did cause their hair to be longer?

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(bill) the code in the DNA. You say billions of years of blind chance programed the code and I say it did not.

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I am once again going to ask you to provide some sort of metric or study which gives any sort of evidence for your baseless allegation. You've had job applicants which stood out for their glaring lack of critical thinking or lack of comprehension of English. Show me how this is the norm and not the product of your skewed worldview. I've provided sources which refute your anectdotal evidence.

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Private school students generally perform higher than their public school counterparts on standardized achievement tests. As with earlier results from the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), private school students performed higher than public school students on the NAEP: 2000 tests. Their average scores were above those of public school students on the 4th-grade reading test and on the 4th-, 8th-, and 12th-grade science and mathematics proficiency tests.


Private high schools typically have more demanding graduation requirements than do public high schools. Compared with public schools, private schools required more coursework (in 4-year high school programs) in 1999-2000 in social studies, mathematics, science, foreign language, and computer science. For example private schools required on average 3.1 years of mathematics, while public schools required 2.7 years. The figures for foreign language study also differed: 1.5 years at private schools but 0.5 years at public schools. In addition, about 40 percent of private schools required some form of community service for high school graduation, four times the rate for public schools (10 percent).


Private school students are more likely than public school students to complete a bachelor's or advanced degree by their mid-20s. Data from the National Education Longitudinal Study of 1988, "Fourth Follow-up" (NELS: 1988/2000) show that students who had attended private school in 8th grade were twice as likely as those who had attended public school to have completed a bachelor's or higher degree by their mid-20s (52 versus 26 percent) and far less likely to not complete a post-secondary education.

Resources Much of the statistics in this article was found in reports by the NCES Schools and Staffing Survey (SASS: 1999-2000), the National Assessment of Educational Progress High School Transcript Study of 1998 (NAEP: 1998), the NAEP: 2000 student achievement tests, and the National Education Longitudinal Study of 1988, "Fourth Follow-up" (NELS: 1988/2000).

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Except that they don't. The Activity Fee levied on students enrolled in the school pays for those programs. The fees that are not collected from HS students. Property taxes tend to be used to keep up the buildings, purchase new texts, and salaries for instructional and administrative staff.
(bill) Like I said they pay twice bro.

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