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Ricky
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Bill scott
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 Posted - 12/21/2005 : 14:30:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Here's another interesting animal from the Devonian, and much older than the Thecodonts:
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The most primitive foot to walk on land has been described by scientists.
It belonged to an animal that lived about 345 million years ago - in what is now Scotland.
This fossil fills in a huge (20-million-year) gap in the fossil record
Dr Jenny Clack
The skeletal remains are the oldest in the fossil record to show bones that had the ability to move on land.
Dr Jenny Clack, who has studied the specimen, says it illustrates how life on Earth made the transition from a purely water-borne existence to one where creatures were able to forage on the shoreline.
"This is the first proper, walking foot," she told BBC News Online. "We have earlier feet, but they were for paddling - for swimming."
This picture shows a structure on the hind foot that aids in walking. all other, older fossils lacked it.
Fascinating, no?
No it will be facinating when you give me the address where I can go and see these rocks for myself along with the other millions that CD predicted we would unearth. Where are the millions of TF? Where? We have millions that are found in their current state and none showing transition even though the transition process would have been spread out millions of years longer then the creature in it's current state yet all the fossils show the creatures in their current state. There should be so many TF on display that I could buy a TF key chain from the gift store at any local mueseum. Yet we have none! And National Geographics proves this by trying to print a TF on their mag between raptor and bird. The fossil was faked. Why would NG still being tring to demonstrate transtion between bird to raptor if millions of these fossils already were on display. They payed big money and got fooled because they wanted to parade their TF. Why would we care if millions are already found and why would NG pay big money for a suposed TF if they were so common that the gift store sold them. Millilns have been found of critters in their current state but strangley none can be found showing transition even though they should out number the fossils in current state. Where are they? The mueseums should be so stuffed with TF and ML that they would have to fill their storage full but they have none. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 14:40:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ricky
Bill scott, you keep calling evolution a philosophical theory, but the vast majority of the scientific community, the very people who have a lot of input on what gets taught in science class, disagree with you.
(bill) just because the self proclaimed scientific community calls itself science does not mean it is science. I proclaim myself Michael Jordon that does not make me MJ.
If you wish for evolution to be kicked out of the science classroom, you must convince these people it isn't science. You are complaining to the wrong people. We have very little power over what gets taught.
(bill)I don't send my kids to public school. All they will learn their is drugs and booze and unrestrained sex with anyone. And that is from their teachers. Most, not all, public schools are a complete failer and turn out students who can not function in normal society. Oh but they can eplain that fish turned into fireman over millions of years. Yeah, that will get them a job!
And good luck if you try to do so, you are certainly going to need it.
(bill) thanks and good luck to you
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"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Siberia
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 14:41:10 [Permalink]
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Yawn.
Visit your closest museum, hon. Not the silly creation one, a real natural history museum. Even ours, here, has transitional fossils. Heck, I'd seen quite a dozen of them by the time I was 12. |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 14:41:33 [Permalink]
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The Huxleys must have had a wonderful time with you, before they finally got bored...
The long and short of it is that you haven't the faintest idea of what you're talking about. You don't understand the Theory nor are you willing to learn a little about it.
If you can debunk it with something besides empty rhetoric, please do so.
And again I ask:
What is your version of reality?
With what would you replace the ToE in the schools?
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 15:04:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
There are mounds of evidence for evolution. It is not a philosophy, but rather a scentific theory. One of the most recent and rather compelling of these is the appearance of the Nylon Bug (a species of flavobacterium).
(Bill) when you can show me your little nylon bug turning into a wolf then we can talk. Better yet just guide me to nearest natural history mueseum so I can see the TF for myself?
No, we can't. You are demanding macroevolution and not evolution. The process of the Nylon bug transforming from a species which cannot metabolize nylon into one that can IS evolution at work. As for transitional fossils, every fossil found is a transitional fossil. They changed into other species or died out. You have a very skewed version of transitional fossils.
Also, you insist that Darwin was the end all be all of evolution and that somehow scientific theories do not change over time as new evidence becomes available. It's not how science works.
Darwin didn't know how fossils are produced. So what. We haven't found fossils in the numbers he predicted. So what. Showing Darwin was wrong about the number of fossils to be found does nothing to refute his theory. The point is insignificant to the main thrust of evolution.
That you continue to slap together cosmology and abiogenesis into evolution is pathetic as the truth value of these concepts are unaffected by and have no effect on the truth value of evolution.
Pick up Darwin's work, it is obvious that you have never read it and are relying on others interpretation of it. Others who are hostile towards his work and have a history of fabricating information about it. Try to pick up the Nature journal and read more about this subject. You obviously have not bothered to learn about the basics of the subject. Why should we expend effort to instruct you? |
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lord_hevonen
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 15:29:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
have already done this with Tommy. My question/point was and remains why do evolutionist's feel they have a right to force their philosophy down my kids throat at school when other worldviews are not given the time of day? Either all philosophical worldviews should presented or none.
Ever heard of "science"? You accept stuff such as gravity, and you don't think stars are holes in the sky-sphere, right? You see, there is this thing called the scientific method, and that leads to some things being considered more true than others. We can't teach all obsolete, archaic misconceptions to kids at school, like flat earth and creationism. There simply aren't enough class hours. |
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pleco
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 15:37:52 [Permalink]
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Well, when you don't even understand the definition of "religion" and how blatantly obvious a scientific theory isn't religion, then other complicated concepts will be tougher to grasp.
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pleco
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 15:47:11 [Permalink]
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For example, Bill stated that Webster said evolution was a religion. Let's look:
Main Entry: re·li·gion
Pronunciation: ri-'li-j&n
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY
1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
Bill will probably use definition 4. That also means that high school football, wrassling, the lottery, and many other things would also be classfied as religion. Besides which ToE requires no faith, though Bill will state that is does. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 15:48:59 [Permalink]
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Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
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Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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pleco
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 15:50:04 [Permalink]
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| I know, it's fun! |
by Filthy
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Siberia
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 15:57:17 [Permalink]
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"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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Dude
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 16:15:16 [Permalink]
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I came here for some answers to the obvious fact that evolution is a religon or worlview
Well, atleast this specimen of unthinking troll made me laugh.
Bill, why don't you start out by explaining, exactly, clearly, and concisely just how evolution is a religion?
The fact that you can't do it, because it isn't a religion, won't stop you I'm sure. But I'm sure it will be amusing.
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filthy
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 16:40:37 [Permalink]
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So, we know that Piltdown Man, Nebraska man, and my personal favorite; Archaeorapter, were all hoaxs. I will ask, who discovered that these were not the real thing?
Lemme tell ya something, Bill; you might not believe it but debunking the theory of evolution is one of the greatest prizes in science. If only I could do it! Would I hide it so as not to upset the status quo? Hell no, I would not! You'd have to shoot me to shut me up about it!
Listen, if I had solid evidence to that end, the Nobel Prize in science would be mine -- they'd probably deliver it to my door. I'd earn a fortune on the lecture circute and write long, dull books to bore undergraduate students to near-suicide because they would be required reading. My name would replace Darwin's in history, and my peers would bitterly hate me for seeing what they could not.
If you think that the ToE is some sort of dogma, you really need to study the topic as it is, not as some preacher or special intrest group such as AiG or the Discovery Institute would have you think that it is.
And now, I will suggest that you go to Talk Orgins and browse a bit, then go to this site and this one before coming back to discuss it with us.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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pleco
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Posted - 12/21/2005 : 17:01:52 [Permalink]
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Bill, I beleive that a 3ft tall pink fat boy with a single strand of black hair, one gold earring, and three (yes three) arms sits in his stately palace at the center of Neptune, and by mere thought alone was able to form this planet and all life on it. His teachings, which are transmitted to every sentient being on this planet (including dolphins and some octopi), are to live in harmony and peace, and that faith in his power is absolutely required but without any proof. Only a select few minds are able to understand this message, like myself (just look at my avatar for more information). Other minds get partial images of this whole message, thus branching into the imperfect world religions.
1) Prove me wrong.
2) Since this is a religion (requires faith, etc.), it should be taught in science classrooms. |
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