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andysnape
New Member
United Kingdom
39 Posts |
 Posted - 11/14/2001 : 01:05:03
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Poll Question:
Who was Jack the Ripper? Some say he was a Jewish immigrant who went insane and was detained under another name, some say he was a doctor, others that he was a sickly prince, or even a woman?
Was he just an insane loner, or was there a cover up to hide a darker, more sinister truth about his identity?
If you have any other suspects, post them up as well, there's only room for 8 here.
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| Aaron Kosminski - Polish/Jewish barber, Id'ed as David Cohen, menatl patient |
 [31%] |
22 votes |
| Michael Ostrog - Russian doctor who went a bit loopy himself |
[11%] |
8 votes |
| Montague John Druitt - lawyer who jumped off a bridge into the Thames |
[3%] |
2 votes |
| James Maybrick - murdered by his wife, supposed author of the diary |
[11%] |
8 votes |
| The Duke of Clarence - the Royal suspect |
[6%] |
4 votes |
| Dr. William Gull - physician to Queen Victoria |
[18%] |
13 votes |
| France Tumblety - widely reported in US as being chased by Scotland Yard |
[6%] |
4 votes |
| The Pleidians - before they decided to mutilate cattle and visit Billy Meier |
[14%] |
10 votes |
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Poll Status:
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Total Votes: 71 counted »» |
Last Vote:
09/22/2004 07:05:08 |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
4826 Posts |
 Posted - 11/14/2001 : 06:39:12 [Permalink]
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quote:
Who was Jack the Ripper? Some say he was a Jewish immigrant who went insane and was detained under another name, some say he was a doctor, others that he was a sickly prince, or even a woman?
Was he just an insane loner, or was there a cover up to hide a darker, more sinister truth about his identity?
If you have any other suspects, post them up as well, there's only room for 8 here.
A merchant sailor. There was a question on whether he was stuck there for a while and then moved on. No one looked for a MO similar in other port cities.
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andysnape
New Member
United Kingdom
39 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2001 : 07:11:23 [Permalink]
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I see the person who voted for the Duke of Clarence is lacking in a little skeptism. He was at Balmoral for at least one of the killings (I think it was actually two), unless of course he had a REALLY fast horse.
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Piltdown
Skeptic Friend
USA
312 Posts |
Posted - 11/14/2001 : 09:29:17 [Permalink]
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I see the person who voted for the Duke of Clarence is lacking in a little skeptism. He was at Balmoral for at least one of the killings (I think it was actually two), unless of course he had a REALLY fast horse.
Quite right, it was two. His presence there was widely reported and he made a number of public appearances. I voted for Kosminski. This was the unanimous opinion of a group of jurists and historians who examined the evidence for a television documentary some years ago. In a private note written many years after the killings, one of the chief investigators named Kosminski as the suspect who had been identified by the sole eye witness in the case. Kosminski was a butcher by trade, he lived in the neighborhood, he had a history of violence against prostitutes, and, most compellingly, the killings stopped when he was locked up. None of this, of course, is conducive to continued sales of Ripper books and videos.
For those unfamiliar with British geography, it's something like 500 miles from London to Balmoral as the maniac flies, a lot farther by 1880s choo-choo.
Abducting UFOs and conspiring against conspiracy theorists since 1980. |
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andysnape
New Member
United Kingdom
39 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2001 : 00:27:04 [Permalink]
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Quite right, it was two. His presence there was widely reported and he made a number of public appearances. I voted for Kosminski. This was the unanimous opinion of a group of jurists and historians who examined the evidence for a television documentary some years ago. In a private note written many years after the killings, one of the chief investigators named Kosminski as the suspect who had been identified by the sole eye witness in the case. Kosminski was a butcher by trade, he lived in the neighborhood, he had a history of violence against prostitutes, and, most compellingly, the killings stopped when he was locked up. None of this, of course, is conducive to continued sales of Ripper books and videos.
For those unfamiliar with British geography, it's something like 500 miles from London to Balmoral as the maniac flies, a lot farther by 1880s choo-choo.
Abducting UFOs and conspiring against conspiracy theorists since 1980.
And even further and longer by a 2001 British choo choo.
Just a bit of trivia, that note by that investigator I think you are referring to was the MacNaughton Memorandom, written in 1892 or 1894 by Sir Melville MacNaughton, Head of Scotland Yard.
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ktesibios
SFN Regular
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2001 : 21:15:07 [Permalink]
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Since this is the conspiracy theories forum, I'm surprised that no one has given the all-purpose guaranteed conspiracy theorist reply and snake-bite remedy:
It was the CIA, of course.
Yes, I know the CIA didn't exist at the time, but don't forget the time travel technology reverse-engineered from the crashed saucer at Area 51...
I think I need a little more snake-bite remedy.
Boris Karloff died for your sins. |
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andysnape
New Member
United Kingdom
39 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2001 : 01:52:09 [Permalink]
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Maybe they were helped by the Plieidians, shall we ask Billey Meier?
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Since this is the conspiracy theories forum, I'm surprised that no one has given the all-purpose guaranteed conspiracy theorist reply and snake-bite remedy:
It was the CIA, of course.
Yes, I know the CIA didn't exist at the time, but don't forget the time travel technology reverse-engineered from the crashed saucer at Area 51...
I think I need a little more snake-bite remedy.
Boris Karloff died for your sins.
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Garrette
SFN Regular
USA
562 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2001 : 11:17:46 [Permalink]
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I am not a Ripper expert by a long shot, but I voted for Maybrick.
I remember the television show and the unanimous vote for Kosminski. While I do not recall details, I do remember being struck by the apparent racism of the vote. In the few minutes prior to the actual vote of the panelists, they recapped the evidence and to whom it seemed to point. NONE of the panelists said that the majority or even the preponderance of the evidence pointed to Kosminski yet all of them voted for him.
To be fair, though, I think this occurred prior to the 'diary' which I admit is not proven by a long shot as genuine. But as a simple hobbyist reading what's interesting, it's as convincing as the rest of the theories. At least to me.
Besides, as the movie with Michael Caine demonstrated, it was a freemason plot.
My kids still love me. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2002 : 11:04:56 [Permalink]
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Coincedently, the other day, i read an interesting essay on Jack, on the Crime Library. They presented all of the evidence (except that which has been lost over time) and gave a rundown on all of the prime and not-so-prime suspects. Truth to tell, I can't buy any of them. There's a couple that almost fit, but 'almost' only counts when you're playing horse shoes or hand grenades.
Therefore, I'll put forth a suspect of my own: A former incarnation of Jimmy Swaggert.
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Xev
Skeptic Friend
USA
329 Posts |
Posted - 01/19/2002 : 13:11:54 [Permalink]
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Sorry guys, it was the Pagans, athiests and homosexuals. Well, they made God do it.
"If anyone can show me, and prove to me, that I am wrong in
thought or deed, I will gladly change. I seek the truth, which
never yet hurt anybody."- Marcus Aurelius |
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Bradley
Skeptic Friend
USA
147 Posts |
Posted - 02/19/2002 : 12:01:27 [Permalink]
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I understand that investigators expunged some Masonic grafitti at the scene of one of the crimes, and have heard of a Masonic conspiracy theory.
The Ripper case is certainly the most notorious unsolved crime in world history. I would like to see a thread on the Fall River (Massachusetts) murders, a double murder which Lizzie Borden, daughter and step-daughter of the two victims, was tried and aquitted. I think that this case qualifies as the most notorious unsolved crime in U.S. history.
"Too much doubt is better than too much credulity."
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Igrokit
New Member
USA
28 Posts |
Posted - 02/19/2002 : 23:29:17 [Permalink]
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Speaking of wacko killers, who was that killer from that poam? "Sombody or other gave her mother 40 wacks (with an axe). Then when she saw what she had done, she gave her father 41." It goes something like that.
That rhime has been going through my head since I first saw this topic, but I cannot place it.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2002 : 06:34:16 [Permalink]
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quote:
Speaking of wacko killers, who was that killer from that poem?
Look no further than the post above yours. Lizzie Borden.
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Igrokit
New Member
USA
28 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2002 : 18:52:24 [Permalink]
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quote:
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Speaking of wacko killers, who was that killer from that poem?
Look no further than the post above yours.
Lizzie Borden.
Ahh that may be what sent that rhime off in my head. I shall have to look to see if I can find the poem somewhere.
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Xev
Skeptic Friend
USA
329 Posts |
Posted - 02/20/2002 : 20:40:55 [Permalink]
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Lizzie Borden took an axe,
Gave her mother 40 whacks.
When she saw what she had done, gave her father 41.
Damn, now I have that going through my head.
Thought constitutes the greatness of man -Pascal |
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Igrokit
New Member
USA
28 Posts |
Posted - 02/21/2002 : 16:32:51 [Permalink]
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At least its better than getting "Its a small world" going in one's head. :-).
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