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Originally posted by Robb

I do not beleive that macroevolution occured but...

By the way, does anybody know of a good book on evolution that discusses the current theories that a person without a biology and chemistry degree can understand?

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Originally posted by Ricky

As I walked into the lecture room, wearing my SFN shirt of course, I was quite amazed at how many people there were. I was 15 minutes early after all, and all of the room was filled except for the back two corners.

The presentation started almost on time, about 5-10 minutes late. One of the first things Hovind did was that he asked all the literal, 6 day Creation, 6,000 year old earth people to stand up. To my surprise, 80-85% of the people stood up, although the majority of these were from churches around the area. He did the same for theistic evolutionists and naturalists, each with about 5% of the people standing.

And so the presentation started. For the first 5 minutes, all he did was restate things such as, "Do you believe there should believe lies in textbooks." The entire time, I was thinking, "Just get to the point, what do you think the lies are?" And when he finally got to the point, I thought, "When is he going to shut up?"

He went on and on with a vast majority of it being the standard Creationist Claims. I won't bore you all here, you already know them. One argument that I've never heard a Creationist use is that in moving water, multiple layers form simultaneously. Now if he was talking about a river, that is obviously false, although I don't know about the bottom of the ocean in an area with high current, such as the Gulf Stream. He wasn't clear on the context.

He also talked about the moths which changed color. He claimed these to be a complete myth, or rather hoax. He said that scientists took black moths and nailed them to trees to take their picture. Considering this is only a case of microevolution, I fail to see what point he wanted to make, since he accepts it. But I never heard this talked about as being a hoax.

I also wrote down the occasional Hovind quote. When talking about the Grand Caynon, he said it was "...a waste of real estate." To me, this quote emphasizes that Hovind thinks the world was created by God for man to use, and nothing more. After briefly going over, "kinds," he started talking about species and said, "You have to define exactly what you're talking about." which I found quite hypocritical. When talking about light, he said, "We don't know what light is." and, "We can't paint [light] red."

The entire presentation was fairly boring, but the Q/A section was well worth the wait. Had I known there would be a Q/A section, I would have prepared one using some of Hovind's own quotes. Sadly, I didn't. I needed a something that Hovind said that was quick, concise, and clearly wrong. I decided to go with Hovind's claim that Hitler was supported by evolutionary views, arguing that evolution actually supports diversity and not the killing off of one part of the species.

The vast majority of the Q/A was people asking a simple question and Hovind talking about it and anything remotely related to it (and some things not even related at all). Most either weren't prepared for Hovind's responses or couldn't think on their toes the way Hovind could. Anytime someone decided to step down when they found they were going nowhere, the audience would laugh. One person actually went up to the mic and said something along the lines of, "I just want to first address the audience, by laughing at the people up here you are mocking them and that really isn't the Christian thing to do."

By far, the best was when the astrophysicist professor went up. During the presentation, Hovind had said that we can't accurately measure the distance to stars. The professor (I forget his name) actually made these measurements. He went over the methods actually used instead of what Hovind presented. All Hovind could do was go back to the method he presented and tell him, "I don't believe you." He tried to change the topic to red shift, but the profes

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Originally posted by Ricky:

One argument that I've never heard a Creationist use is that in moving water, multiple layers form simultaneously.

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Originally posted by filthy the dinosaur shat in the dairy barn.


Tyrannosaur turd, a coprolite from Glenn Morton's fossil collection.

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