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Grand Nubian
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 11/17/2001 : 04:55:08
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Online Roundtable on the Caspian Sea Region
( February 1999 - December 1999 )
Project directed by Mathew J. Burrows , Carter Page
This online roundtable, the first Council project of its kind, fostered a dialogue among individuals around the country on the issues surrounding the emergence of the Caspian Sea region as a major new supplier of oil. Participants first established the facts underlying Caspian issues, and then systematically evaluated Caspian development and appropriate U.S. policies. While preserving the confidentiality of the discussion, the facts established by the group also formed the core of a website on the Caspian that will be eventually linked to the Council's home page (www.foreignrelations.org).
http://www.cfr.org/public/resource.cgi?proj!199
The first session of Ann Markusen's Roundtable on the Geo Economics of Military Preparedness met on Friday, January 12, 2001 to discuss “Military Policy, Military Budgets: What can we Expect from the new Bush Administration?”
Meeting Chair David Robinson introduced the two panelists: Gordon Adams of George Washington University, and Bill Hartung of World Policy Institute. He then expressed regret at the lack of a Republican panelist, explaining that each Republican that was invited had either been appointed into the Bush Administration or was awaiting appointment.
(this is interesting becuase on the same page at the top it says:THE COUNCIL TAKES NO INSTITUTIONAL POSITION ON POLICY ISSUES AND HAS NO AFFILIATION WITH THE U.S. GOVERNMENT.)
Gordon Adams began his presentation by clarifying what should be done in defense over the next four years:
1-Coordinated effort and the US working in synergy.
2-The early identification of hot spots,
3-The US working with friends and allies.
4-Balanced utilization of the four policy instruments: intelligence, diplomacy, economics, and military capability.
The session was then opened up to questions.
One participant told the panelists that the issue of terrorism had been neglected, a huge issue that we should be thinking about today. The participant also pointed out the lack of input from lower ranking military officers, stressing that they should be included in discussion of military transition.
Gordon Adams responded that the last budget he looked at allocated 11 or 12 billion towards terrorism, double the amount allocated in 1996. In light of the fact that terrorism has decreased, Gordon questioned whether this amount was excessive, and exactly what threat the US was positioning itself against.
In terms of terrorism Hartung warned against a Cold War approach to arms sales, remembering *Reagan's Afghan Freedom Fighters.*
http://www.cfr.org/p/GeoEconomics/RTGeoEcon_1-12-01_RapReport.html
Things seem to be coming together nicely for the
United Nations and also for those nations with an interest
in subduing bin Laden, and whatever else they have planned,
such as building an oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea
through Afghanistan and Pakistan, to the Indian Ocean. On
this point, see the 1999 maps, published by the Council on
Foreign Relations, relating to the Caspian Sea.
http://www.treemedia.com/cfrlibrary/Library/indexmaps/indexmaps.html
Morningstar, Richard L., Ambassador, Special Advisor to the President and the Secretary of State for Caspian Basin Energy Diplomacy Testimony before the Senate Subcommittee on International Economic Policy, Exports and Trade promotion, Wednesday, March 3, 1999
"Thank you, Chairman Hagel, for providing this opportunity to update you on the status of U.S. efforts to promote a network of multiple pipelines and an East-West energy transportation corridor that will bring Caspian energy to world markets and, in particular, to discuss what needs to be done to make the Baku-Ceyhan Main Export Pipeline commercially viable. Having just returned from a trip to the region, I can state that we have made substantial progress on our Caspian
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Grand Nubian
Skeptic Friend
USA
73 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2001 : 04:57:26 [Permalink]
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The following are posts I've made on another board in a thread and would also like to get everyone's thoughts here as well.
This will explain why some comments are out of context.
BTW...just wanted to add that talking about jews while talking about the WTC is very relevant,since it was owned by a jewish person.
Larry Silverstein already owned number Seven WTC, but he led a consortium that just months ago signed a new $3.2 billion US, 99-year lease on the WTC complex. That was the first time the WTC had changed hands in it's thirty year history.
The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey signed the deal with the Silverstein the 26th April, 2001. The deal was finalized and celebrated on the 23rd July.
Silverstein said "This is a dream come true," & "We will be in control of a prized asset, and we will seek to develop its potential, raising it to new heights." An ironic choice of words, in retrospect.
The leased buildings included Numbers One and Two (the Twin Towers), Four, Five and 400,000 square feet of retail space. The Marriott Hotel (3WTC), U.S. Customs building (6WTC) and Silverstein's own 47-story office building were already under lease.
Despite the transfer to private hands, the tax payments would still come from the Port Authority -who had been making yearly $25 million payments in lieu of taxes to New York City. The proper figure should be more like $100 million according to city administrators.
This is one man that makes the jewish financial connection to the destruction.
http://www.cnn.com/2001/BUSINESS/asia/09/12/aust.westfield.biz/index.html
Did the united states plan the attack on afghanistan months before 9*11?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1550000/1550366.stm
More support that the attacks may have already been planned on afghanistan.
http://www.indiareacts.com/archivefeatures/nat2.asp?recno=10&ctg=
If so, what would be the reason that american forces would plan attacks on afghanistan in advance?
http://www.house.gov/international_relations/105th/ap/wsap212982.htm
The Indiareacts article demonstrates the war against the Taliban was being planned approximately 4 months or more before the 911 attack. Our source is India, Pakistan, and the British via BBC.
Of course, as it's been alleged that a couple terrorist named by the FBI were trained AT US military bases.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/629529.asp#BODY
The only defense offered for this alleged training is;
quote:
One military source said it is possible that the hijackers may have stolen the identities of the foreign nationals who studied at the U.S. installations.
If this is true, where are the men that really match these id's? Can't they be found anywhere after training as secret military bases?
More funny business:
http://www.copvcia.com/]http://www.copvcia.com/
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=25008
The 48 Hours anchor was interviewing the Head of Security of the WTC about
the evacuation who had received a call, after the South tower was down, from
the Port Authority's Command Center on the 22nd floor asking for rescue.
The Head of Security himself travelled to that floor in the company of a NY
Fireman where they found the offices devestated to the point where they had
to "tunnel through debris" to "dig out" the two or three Port Authority
workers who were trapped there.
All of this happened 73 floors below crashbombing impact.
I have an image of an anomaly, looking like an explosion on the FIRST tower to collaspe, but before the tower collaspes. Image available at every website known to man. If you want me to send it to you simply email me.
Below I present what I think are incontrovertable reasons for concluding
that the WTC/Pentagon crashbombings were a frame-up designed to benefit
members of, at least, these four groups:
1) people profiting from the opium trade of the Northern Alliance druglords
and the money-laundering through global investment channels that the opium
trade and the derivative heroin trade supports;
2) people seeking control of the $6 trillion worth of oil and natural gas in
Central Asia;
3) people seeking to win back support to increasingly unpopular Sharonist
policies in Israel; and
4) people arraigned before a grand jury on charges of fixing gold prices,
illegal involvement in oil swaps between Kazakhstan and (sanctioned) Iran,
and bribery in cases where all incriminating documentary evidence was
stored in FBI files and data banks in one of the twin towers of the WTC.
All four of these groups have fluid secret channels of communication through
networked integration of banking, politics, the CIA and Mossad connections.
The fact is if one of these groups was complicit the other three would have
to be also.
quote:
From Retired U.S. Army colonel, Donn de Grand Pré
THE ENEMY IS INSIDE THE GATES
by Donn de Grand Pré
A dedicated group of experienced civilian and military pilots, including
combat fighter pilots and commercial airline captains, just finished a
marathon 72 hours of non-stop briefings and debate over the current crisis
evolving from the use of commercial aircraft as cruise missiles against the
World Trade Center and the Pentagon on 11 September.
The so-called terrorist attack was in fact a superbly executed military
operation against the United States, requiring the utmost professional
military skill in command, communications and control. It was flawless in
timing, in the choice of selected aircraft to be used as guided missiles,
and in the coordinated delivery of those missiles to their pre-selected
targets.
As a tactical military exercise against two significant targets (world
financial center and the citadel of world strategic military planning), the
attack, from a psychological impact on the American public, equaled the
Japanese "surprise" attack on Pearl Harbor 7 Dec 1941.
The over-riding question: If we are at war, who is the enemy?
The group determined that the enemy is within the gates, that he has
infiltrated into the highest policy-making positions at the Federal level,
and has absolute control, not only of the purse strings, but of the troop
build-up and deployment of our military forces, including active, reserve
and National Guard units.
In each of the major wars of the 20th century, the financial manipulators
(located in the City of London and New York City) had placed the US (and
much of the Western world) in a monetary expansion mode, followed by an
ever-tightening vice of a gigantic credit squeeze. We now have two ongoing
and tightly controlled simultaneous events (emanating from the two symbolic
targets of 911:
1) Alan Greenspan, Fed chairman, promising to flood the market with up to
$200 billion in FRNs and to further lower interest rates, thus bringing
about hyperinflation and dollar devaluation. Much of these multi billions
in
largesse will be dumped into the coffers of Wall Street, Defense, bankrupt
airlines, insurance companies and into the willing arms of debt-ridden
third-world countries in the form of debt repudiation (forgiveness). Call
it bribery, in order to get these often reluctant nations to join our
coalition of "freedom fighters" in "the war against terrorism".
2) Paul Wolfowitz, deputy Defense secretary, promised that the US will
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2001 : 17:20:13 [Permalink]
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Well, all quite fascinating, GN, but does all this speculation and Wizard-of-Oz-esque cover-up allegation really make more sense to you than bin Laden being a fundamentalist fanatic with too much time, money and influence?
I'd say Occam would wholly disapprove.
There was an earthquake! A terrible flood! Locusts! It wasn't my fault, I swear to god! - Jake Blues
Edited by - PhDreamer on 11/17/2001 17:20:52 |
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Grand Nubian
Skeptic Friend
USA
73 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2001 : 18:07:08 [Permalink]
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Oh I agree that he is a fanatic, no doubt. But I can't dismiss the fact that our country has been eyeing that area since their war with russia.
I speculate that bin laden threw a monkey wench in the oil plans when he decided to hang out in afghanistan.
After all, the plans were all drawn out and everything.
I do think the idea of bin laden simply hating freedom so much that he kills people that are free is a bit wizard of oz-ish.
Not that I think you are saying he does, but many people think this.
If he indeed did make the attack happen then it was very convient for american industry that it happen as they were already geared up for access.
I hope it makes gas prices go down.
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Grand Nubian
Skeptic Friend
USA
73 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2001 : 18:09:12 [Permalink]
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oh...there's not one allegation or speculation. Every source there is credible and mainstream. Nothing from the conspiracy store.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2001 : 18:32:14 [Permalink]
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I find it extremely hard to believe that India would take part in any military action inside Afghanistan considering India's relationship with Pakistan and the relationship pakistan has had with Afghanistan. I'm not buying that one at all.
While it may be true that there are oil companies yearning to get their hooks into Afghanistan the US had plenty of good reasons to draw up attack plans.
Yes we trained a lot of fighters in Afghanistan and yes we might have at one point been enthusiastic about the Taliban but to take all of that, roll it all together and come up with a scenario where we attacked ourselves is quite a stretch.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law! |
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Grand Nubian
Skeptic Friend
USA
73 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2001 : 21:20:28 [Permalink]
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@tomic,
There's no "may' be true about oil companies slobbing at the mouths. It's all there in the speech to the congress and in the list of investors for the oil line, from 97-01.
We didn't just train "lots" of terrotist, we trained over 60k of them IN america.
Since we train saudi pilots ALL the time and a few of the hijackers are ex saudi pilots, we probably trained them too.
America wasn't "entusiastic" about supporting the taliban, our gov. actively encourage other countries in that area to help them win power. On top of that OUR gov. sent advisors, arms, and was involved in their opium trade.
Now, all this rolled up together means one thing, you don't have to accept it.
However, if president bush admits to it I'm sure you will then.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2001 : 03:10:25 [Permalink]
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So you are saying that our own government arranged for Islamic extremists to bomb the WTC and the Pentagon? I can concede that many of the pieces of information are true but I think you have assembled them in a way that ultimately makes little sense. This is a very dangerous situation and much as I sometimes distrust the government I can't believe that they would do something this horrific. While it's an interesting idea I think it's just that. And the part about India taking part in it is not something I can accept at all. No way in hell could they risk that considering their "relationship" with Pakistan.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law! |
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Grand Nubian
Skeptic Friend
USA
73 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2001 : 08:06:08 [Permalink]
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I'm not saying that the "governement" did any arrangements.
I'm saying that a crisis in the middleeast just happened to be perfect for the oil companies wants which they've been making clear to our government for years. It's been a race to see who can get that oil line in the caspian area.
I'm not saying anything that the infomation doesn't say. You can peice it together however you like.
To date, everyone reads it and says, your digging. Sure I"m digging, but look what I've found.
Here's the part that I speculate on...bin laden's rise to power put a monkey wench in the plans of american oil, after so much money and time went into gaining influence in the country.
Certain influencial people have a grip with him over and above the suspected terrorist acts.
I think that he found out about the assault on them that was being planned, and attacked us first.
I think our military used that as the spring board for an attack they've been planning already and soon we'll have a new oil line in that country.
At this rate, theses things will fall together easily because I'm over the hump of motivation. Oil.
India's role is really unimportant. I think that the american oil consortium's role is more important. That's the trail I"ll follow.
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