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Doomar
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 Posted - 02/13/2006 : 22:18:38
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Take this quiz. Answers will be sent to you upon request by email.
Quiz of Knowledge Regarding the Iraq and Afghanistan War
True or False
__ 1. United Nations weapons inspectors did not enter Iraq directly prior to the Iraq War.
__ 2. According to the Bush Administration, WMD's were moved into the bordering country of Syria prior to the war.
__ 3. Vice President Dick Cheney stated that Saddam Hussein had reconstituted Iraq's Nuclear Weapons Program.
__ 4. Iraq had reconstituted their Nuclear Weapons Program prior to the Iraq War.
__ 5. Colin Powell presented evidence to the United Nations showing proof of Iraqi WMD programs.
__ 6. President GW Bush said WMD's had been found in Iraq.
__ 7. No stockpiles of WMD's have been found in Iraq.
__ 8. WMD's were used against our soldiers during their attack on Iraq in 2003.
__ 9. Insurgents within Iraq are made up mostly of foreign fighters and terrorists.
__10. Very few Iraqi civilians were killed or injured during the initial attack to take control of Iraq.
__11. The United States uses Depleted Uranium metal in their armor shells and Depleted Uranium metal in their tank armor.
__12. Depleted Uranium is harmless to humans in its solid metal form.
__13. Depleted Uranium dust created by burst shells and/or DU armor hit by explosives is not harmful to humans when inhaled or swallowed.
__14. Use of Depleted Uranium shells in warfare is completely acceptable to all nations.
__15. Depleted Uranium has a half-life (length of time it remains radioactive) less than 10 years.
__16. No harmful affects from DU have been discovered in places where such shells have been used.
__17. American forces moved swiftly during the war to protect Nuclear equipment, stockpiled high explosives, and weapons caches from falling into the wrong hands.
__18. American forces moved swiftly to protect oil fields within Iraq during the war.
__19. Aluminum tubes similar to those intercepted prior to the war have since been found being used to make enriched uranium within Iraq.
__20. Large stockpiles of yellow cake Uranium, purchased in Niger, were found in Iraq.
__21. Large stockpiles of Anthrax for biological weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq.
__22. Large stockpiles of nerve gas and other chemical weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq.
__23. The United States no longer has stockpiles of either chemical or biological weapons outlawed by International Treaties signed by the United States.
__24. Evidence has been found linking Saddam Hussein directly with the terrorist organization known as al Qaeda.
__25. Some of the terrorists who hijacked the airliners on 9/11 were from Iraq.
__26. The United States sent a large military force into Afghanistan to capture Osama bin Laden, Taliban and al Qaeda agents.
__27. American forces killed Osama bin Laden.
__28. Osama bin Laden is/was from Saudi Arabia.
__29. Relatives of bin Laden were not allowed to fly out of the United States directly after 9/11.
__30. President Bush has stated that if he had known the information that he knows today prior to the invasion he would not have begun the war with Iraq.
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Edited by - Doomar on 02/13/2006 22:20:53
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 02/14/2006 : 02:16:55 [Permalink]
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Too long. Care to make your point without the quiz?
I think I've read more than enough to be convinced Bush lied about every reason he gave for invading Iraq. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 02/14/2006 : 06:51:10 [Permalink]
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Interesting. However, some of the questions are worded in a way which makes the answers ambigious in a T of F context.
For instance, questions 5 and 16. 5 is true but he didn't have proof, he had evidence from intelligence. 16 is alledged to be true but is based on conjecture. Scientific studies lean more towards a false answer. 28 is actually true, but the area in question is right on the Yemen border. 25 is immaterial as terrorists recognize no nationalities and just because a terrorist is from a country, one cannot claim a government's complicity with their operation.
What is the intended point? Bush lied? If so, let me put on my shocked face. Well, duh. UNMOVIC was screaming bloody murder pre-invasion against the WMD charge. |
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Dave W.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/14/2006 : 10:58:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
The link in Doomar's signature gives one a big hint about what the point of this thread is.
The "evil shortcut" comment is confusing but I agree with the concluding paragraph that it's an "evil and unjust war". |
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Ricky
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Doomar
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Posted - 02/15/2006 : 18:54:07 [Permalink]
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Here are my answers. You may or may not agree with them. Most have research accompanying them.
Quiz of Knowledge Regarding the Iraq and Afghanistan War
True or False
_F_ 1. United Nations weapons inspectors did not enter Iraq directly prior to the Iraq War. UN weapons inspectors entered Iraq in November of 2002 and remained till they were pulled out prior to the U.S. attack.
_F_ 2. According to the Bush Administration, WMD's were moved into the bordering country of Syria prior to the war. Some internet sites have affirmed this rumor, but no actual evidence has been found by the Bush Administration.
_T_ 3. Vice President Dick Cheney stated that Saddam Hussein had reconstituted Iraq's Nuclear Weapons Program. The VP did state this in one of his national appearances prior to the war.
_F_ 4. Iraq had reconstituted their Nuclear Weapons Program prior to the Iraq War. Evidence to the contrary has been found since the war and affirmed by the Bush Administration.
_T_ 5. Colin Powell presented evidence to the United Nations showing proof of Iraqi WMD programs. Address made by Colin Powell before the war.
_T_ 6. President GW Bush said WMD's had been found in Iraq. In his address to Polish people while in Poland.
_T_ 7. No stockpiles of WMD's have been found in Iraq. After 2.5 years of searching, no stockpiles were ever found and the President's official given this task and the 9/11 Commission affirmed this.
_F_ 8. WMD's were used against our soldiers during their attack on Iraq in 2003. Never happened.
_F_ 9. Insurgents within Iraq are made up mostly of foreign fighters and terrorists. The majority of insurgents are Iraqi citizens with smaller groups of foreign fighters and terrorists.
_F_10. Very few Iraqi civilians were killed or injured during the initial attack to take control of Iraq. Thousands of civilians were killed and many thousands more injured (IraqBodyCount.com)
_T_11. The United States uses Depleted Uranium metal in their armor shells and Depleted Uranium metal in their tank armor. "The United States Armed Forces used depleted uranium munitions and armor for the first time during the Gulf War." http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/docs/990503-du.htm
_T_12. Depleted Uranium is harmless to humans in its solid metal form. "Depleted uranium that remains outside the body cannot harm you." http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq_17apr.htm
_F_13. Depleted Uranium dust created by burst shells and/or DU armor hit by explosives is not harmful to humans when inhaled or swallowed. " Taken into the body via metal fragments or dust-like particles, depleted uranium may pose a long-term health hazard to personnel if the amount is large." Same source as above.
_F_14. Use of Depleted Uranium shells in warfare is completely acceptable to all nations.
According to a August 2002 report by the UN subcommission, laws which are breached by the use of DU shells include: the Universal Declaration of Human Rights; the Charter of the United Nations; the Genocide Convention; the Convention Against ; the four Geneva Conventions of 1949; the Conventional Weapons Convention of 1980; and the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907, which expressly forbid employing 'poison or poisoned weapons' and 'arms, projectiles or materials calculated to cause unnecessary suffering'. All of these laws are designed to spare civilians from unwarranted suffering in armed conflicts. http://www.sundayherald.com/32522
_F_15. Depleted Uranium has a half-life (length of time it remains radioactive) less than 10 years. Uranium 238 has a half-life of 4.51 E+9 (or 4.51 times 10 to the 9thpower, equivalent to 4,510,000,000 years).
_F_16. No harmful affects from DU have been discovered in places where such shells have been used. In Volume 2 of the Encyclopaedia of Occupational Health, under uranium alloys and compounds, page 2238, it reads: "Uranium poisoning is characterized by generalized health impairmen |
Mark 10:27 (NKJV) 27But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
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beskeptigal
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Posted - 02/16/2006 : 02:04:34 [Permalink]
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| I knew most of that stuff and more. |
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 02/16/2006 : 08:31:12 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Doomar
Here are my answers. You may or may not agree with them. Most have research accompanying them.
_F_16. No harmful affects from DU have been discovered in places where such shells have been used. In Volume 2 of the Encyclopaedia of Occupational Health, under uranium alloys and compounds, page 2238, it reads: "Uranium poisoning is characterized by generalized health impairment. The element and its compounds produce changes in the kidneys, liver, lungs and cardiovascular, nervous and haemopoietic systems, and cause disorders of protein and carbohydrate metabolism....... Chronic poisoning results from prolonged exposure to low concentrations of insoluble compounds and presents a clinical picture different from that of acute poisoning. The outstanding signs and symptoms are pulmonary fibrosis, pneumoconiosis, and blood changes with a fall in red blood count; haemoglobin, erythrocyte and reticulocyte levels in the peripheral blood are reduced. Leucopenia may be observed with leucocyte disorders (cytolysis, pyknosis, and hypersegmentosis). There may be damage to the nervous system. Morphological changes in the lungs, liver, spleen, intestines and other organs and tissues may be found, and it is reported that uranium exposure inhibits reproductive activity and affects uterine and extra-uterine development in experimental animals. Insoluble compounds tend to be retained in tissues and organs for long periods."
OSHA manuals are not evidence of harm in places where they are used. The dust is harmful and known to be harmful. But only when airborne or ingested. There is scant evidence that places where DU shells are used have had negative effects on populations due to their existance. There are some suggestions that this happens, but no compelling causation.
And WMD's had been found in Iraq. Just not anywhere near the quantities suggested. And that find was likely an import. (8 pounds of sarin gas mixture)
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Doomar
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Posted - 02/18/2006 : 17:59:07 [Permalink]
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| Hey, why not go to Iraq yourself and live for a week in a bombed out tank to see if there are any ill effects. Might as well prove me wrong. |
Mark 10:27 (NKJV) 27But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
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R.Wreck
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Posted - 02/18/2006 : 18:41:13 [Permalink]
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The negative effects from depleted uranium (DU) exposure are from it's chemical toxicity, not from it's radioactive decay. From the World Health Organization:
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The main difference between DU and natural uranium is that the former contains at least three times less 235U than the latter.
DU, consequently, is weakly radioactive and a radiation dose from it would be about 60% of that from purified natural uranium with the same mass.
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Under most circumstances, use of DU will make a negligible contribution to the overall natural background levels of uranium in the environment. Probably the greatest potential for DU exposure will follow conflict where DU munitions are used.
A recent United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) report giving field measurements taken around selected impact sites in Kosovo (Federal Republic of Yugoslavia) indicates that contamination by DU in the environment was localized to a few tens of metres around impact sites. Contamination by DU dusts of local vegetation and water supplies was found to be extremely low. Thus, the probability of significant exposure to local populations was considered to be very low.
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In the kidneys, the proximal tubules (the main filtering component of the kidney) are considered to be the main site of potential damage from chemical toxicity of uranium. There is limited information from human studies indicating that the severity of effects on kidney function and the time taken for renal function to return to normal both increase with the level of uranium exposure.
In a number of studies on uranium miners, an increased risk of lung cancer was demonstrated, but this has been attributed to exposure from radon decay products. Lung tissue damage is possible leading to a risk of lung cancer that increases with increasing radiation dose. However, because DU is only weakly radioactive, very large amounts of dust (on the order of grams) would have to be inhaled for the additional risk of lung cancer to be detectable in an exposed group. Risks for other radiation-induced cancers, including leukaemia, are considered to be very much lower than for lung cancer.
Erythema (superficial inflammation of the skin) or other effects on the skin are unlikely to occur even if DU is held against the skin for long periods (weeks).
No consistent or confirmed adverse chemical effects of uranium have been reported for the skeleton or liver.
No reproductive or developmental effects have been reported in humans.
Although uranium released from embedded fragments may accumulate in the central nervous system (CNS) tissue, and some animal and human studies are suggestive of effects on CNS function, it is difficult to draw firm conclusions from the few studies reported.
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Valiant Dancer
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Posted - 02/20/2006 : 06:51:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Doomar
Hey, why not go to Iraq yourself and live for a week in a bombed out tank to see if there are any ill effects. Might as well prove me wrong.
I accept your concession of defeat.
It is a common tactic for someone who has no evidence for their assertion to give such a rant in response. |
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