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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 02/16/2006 : 13:13:30
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I heard this second hand so I'll do more checking after I post.
Cheney now claims he had the authority to declassify intelligence material. Hume didn't follow up on the subject. Unbelievable.
Here's some questions for you Brit:
Did Cheney make it formal in any way when he told Libby to disclose the Plame information?
Why, if that was the case, did they not come clean until caught?
Is it really the VP's prerogative? Where is that in the job description?
And, of course, why did you decide to declassify that particular information, as a leak, and in a way that was clearly only used to discredit a person who dissented from the party line?
What evidence was there that Wilson's wife had anything to do with Wilson being picked to go to Niger?
Wilson had a long history of experience in Africa, so why does the admin claim he was unqualified?
I heard this first hand so I'll go look up who the reporters were, (two anchors this am). I don't recall seeing them on CNN before.
On a better note, CNN was interviewing the Gitmo spokesperson about the UN delegation being denied access to the prisoners. The Gitmo spokes person had one line. The UN group made the decision not to come hear our propaganda side. CNN asked WHO made the decision not to allow access to the prisoners. Gitmo rep repeats one line answer. CNN reporter cuts him off and says we heard that already, who made the decision? Gitmo rep continues repeating one line answer. CNN cuts him off. End of interview.
Kudos. It's about time. Now if they can just keep it up. And address the Plame Cheney issue next.
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Edited by - beskeptigal on 02/16/2006 13:14:19
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 02/16/2006 : 13:31:14 [Permalink]
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The full interview transcript is here:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/15/cheney.transcript/index.html
The topic of Cheney's "authority" to declassify was at the end, following Cheney's comments on shooting Whittington. Cheney got very evasive on the subject of whether he authorized the Plame leak. But Britt Hume was tripping all over himself trying to lob softballs for Cheney to hit throughout the interview. It's embarassing to watch such a lickspittle lackey of a "journalist" at work.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/16/2006 : 13:44:35 [Permalink]
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Wow, HM, I'm off looking for it and you've already posted it.
quote:
HUME: On another subject, court filings have indicated that Scooter Libby has suggested that his superiors — unidentified — authorized the release of some classified information. What do you know about that?
CHENEY: There's nothing I can talk about, Brit. It's an issue that's been under investigation for a couple of years. I've cooperated fully, including being interviews done by a special prosecutor. All of it's now going to trial. Scooter is entitled to the presumption of innocence. He is a great guy. I worked with him for a long time. I have tremendous regard for him. I may well be called as a witness at some point in the case and it is therefore inappropriate for me to comment on any facet of the case.
HUME: Let me ask you another question. Is it your view that a vice president has the authority to declassify information?
CHENEY: There is an executive order to that effect.
HUME: There is.
CHENEY: Yeah.
HUME: Have you done it?
CHENEY: Well, I have certainly advocated declassification. I have participated in declassification decisions.
HUME: Have you —
(CROSSTALK)
CHENEY: I don't want to get into that. There's an executive order that specifies who has classification authority, and obviously it focuses first and foremost on the president, but also includes the vice president.
There's an executive order? Meaning Bush ordered that Bush could declassify stuff and put the VP in there too? For good measure I guess. I wonder when that order was written and whether it includes a procedure for declassifying or reporting back to the CIA that you did so? Sounds to me like it's to keep these guys out of jail, nothing more. And yet the press settles for the 'can't talk about it' crap despite the fact they talked about it until they got caught.
I could not find the CNN anchor or transcripts. Perhaps they'll be up later. |
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HalfMooner
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/16/2006 : 14:07:23 [Permalink]
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I had about half decided not to post the Rude Pundit's take on it for fear of offending the delicate sensibilities of of the membership.
Fuck y'all's delicate sensibilities; here it is: quote:
2/16/2006
Blowing Dick:
Dick Cheney loves to have his balls cupped while he's getting a blow-job. He likes it when the kneeling fellater holds the testicles that are a heartbeat away from the Oval Office chair, perhaps bobbling them like qigong balls, perhaps giving a teasin' squeezin' to Dick Cheney's scrotum. Brit Hume is a cocksucker of great renown around D.C. Indeed, he is perhaps a more skilled chowder eater than even Sean Hannity for Hume gives the act the veneer of being something more significant than just another back alley hummer. Whenever male members of the Bush administration need to get their rocks off in a way that doesn't make 'em look all gay and shit, they can count on Fox "News" anchor Brit Hume to bob that knob better than anyone else. Hume receives regular face fuckings from the grateful dicks of Donald Rumsfeld, John McCain, and, much to Hume's chagrin, Ken Mehlman. (Chris Wallace is noted for his cunnilingus skills. And no one gives better falafel than Bill O'Reilly.)
Hume, like virtually all of Fox's drooling heads, is little more than an overpaid lickspittle and dogsbody for the slime-bucket wing of conservatism. I must admit, though, that he does his job well....
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 02/16/2006 : 14:12:48 [Permalink]
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Keep the funny (and true) filth coming, filthy!
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 02/16/2006 : 20:21:38 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal
There's an executive order? Meaning Bush ordered that Bush could declassify stuff and put the VP in there too?
beskeptigal, check out the History of Classification and Declassification, which shows well that our current system has been created through Executive Orders (EOs) since 1940. Note that the linked article only goes through 1996, and so doesn't include Bush's amendments to the prior EOs. (Also, check out the bottom memorandum on EO 10501 (1953), where Eisenhower revokes classification authority from the Commission of Fine Arts and the Housing and Home Finance Agency, for two funny examples.) |
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HalfMooner
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NubiWan
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 02/17/2006 : 00:02:38 [Permalink]
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Now for some truly obscene news;
Senate Rejects Wiretapping Probe
By Charles Babington and Carol D. Leonnig
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, February 17, 2006
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"Senate Democrats said the Republican-led Congress was abdicating its obligations to oversee a controversial program in which the National Security Agency has monitored perhaps thousands of phone calls and e-mails involving U.S. residents and foreign parties without obtaining warrants from a secret court that handles such matters."
"White House spokesman Scott McClellan said that the NSA program does not require "congressional authorization" but that the administration is "open to ideas regarding legislation."
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/16/AR2006021602155_pf.html |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 02/17/2006 : 00:38:33 [Permalink]
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Terrible! Bill of Rights Countdown. How many more Amendments left now?
As to your signature graphic, NubiWan, I agree in principle, but I'd settle for a quick lynching.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/17/2006 : 03:09:30 [Permalink]
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Hoard canned goods and stockpile ammunition.
And DON'T REELECT ANYBODY, NOT EVEN YOUR MOMMA!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 02/17/2006 : 07:47:44 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner
How many more Amendments left now?
What's it matter? It's just a goddamned piece of paper. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 02/17/2006 : 11:16:07 [Permalink]
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Such a pity that this one is only a spoof....
But such a greater pity that this one is not....
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 02/17/2006 : 12:03:26 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
beskeptigal, check out the History of Classification and Declassification, which shows well that our current system has been created through Executive Orders (EOs) since 1940. Note that the linked article only goes through 1996, and so doesn't include Bush's amendments to the prior EOs. (Also, check out the bottom memorandum on EO 10501 (1953), where Eisenhower revokes classification authority from the Commission of Fine Arts and the Housing and Home Finance Agency, for two funny examples.)
Well I didn't read it too closely yet but this would seem to say Cheney is wrong:quote:
(b) Non-Automatic Changes: The persons designated to receive requests for review of classified material may downgrade or declassify such material when circumstances no longer warrant its retention in its original classification provided the consent of the appropriate classifying authority has been obtained. The downgrading or declassification of extracts from or paraphrases of classified documents shall also require the consent of the appropriate classifying authority unless the agency making such extracts knows positively that they warrant a classification lower than what of the documents from which extracted, or what they are not classified....
...f) Downgrading: If the recipient of classified material believes that it has been classified too highly, he may make a request to the reviewing official who may downgrade or declassify the material after obtaining the consent of the appropriate classifying authority.
In other words the guy who wants to declassify it has to tell the person who made it classified in the first place, if I read that correctly. |
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