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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 03/03/2006 : 02:59:51 [Permalink]
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I have to wonder why no one is asking why the city or county itself wasn't prepared? Why do people expect the federal government to be the 1st one to come to the rescue? The city(s) should have had more safety measures in place & stronger leadership.
Because the city and county didn't have the funds to prepare for that level of disaster. However, it should be noted that local officials were blamed and suffered consequences for many of their mistakes. But the general analysis was that the mistakes of the federal government far overshadowed what the local government could have possibly compensated for. They simply didn't have the dough. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 03:15:16 [Permalink]
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marfknox replied to Snake: quote:
Because the city and county didn't have the funds to prepare for that level of disaster. However, it should be noted that local officials were blamed and suffered consequences for many of their mistakes. But the general analysis was that the mistakes of the federal government far overshadowed what the local government could have possibly compensated for. They simply didn't have the dough.
I agree totally. That's the whole very basic concept behind disaster mitigation and relief efforts. New Orleans is tiny and poor compared to the entire US. New Orleans was hit by a hurricane and nothing much there was working, even the hospitals, while relatively little of the US was damaged. In a disaster, supplies and personnel are moved from safe areas to the disaster area.
That's how it used to work, anyway.
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 05:47:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Which is why W will lie his ass of every time he opens his mouth... and even when they catch him blatantly in a lie (like this one about the levees) he doesn't fear any serious consequences.
Other than going to Hell. Or does he not consider that a serious consequence.
What puzzles me is that these meetings were being video taped. Do you get so use to cameras being in the room that they become like furniture? Do you forget that they just might be recording some pretty damning evidence about what was truely being discussed? What was known?
If there is a Hell, then Bush should be there and I should too. I think I'll just walk up and punch him in the face. After all, what more can they do to me... |
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Starman
SFN Regular
Sweden
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 06:13:23 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Snake
I think you mean rebut when you say 'talking point' and 'spin' from the sound of this post. ..
You forgot to point out that it was overtopping, not breaching!
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I guess the other choice is democrat? Why do people have to be so divided? There's that Rush Limbaugh mentality again. Shouldn't instead of worrying about what one 'side' or the other is thinking or saying, everyone should be trying to work together.
You are so lucky that your president is a uniter and not a divider.
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The city(s) should have had more safety measures in place & stronger leadership.
Or maybe super heroes to save the day?
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 12:06:11 [Permalink]
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moakley mentioned: quote:
If there is a Hell, then Bush should be there and I should too. I think I'll just walk up and punch him in the face. After all, what more can they do to me...
Sometimes I think those who profess the extremist version of Christianity are trying to bring Hell to earth. Bush has certainly made great strides in this direction.
I remember seeing the video of Bush, as Air Force One slowly circled over a devastated New Orleans, once he'd finally bestirred himself to leave his Texas ranch to take a "close-up" look for himself. The video showed Bush sitting in a window seat, looking out and down, with a properly solemn expression.
My mind filled in his inner dialogue: "Look at those people down there! They look like little drowning black ants from way up here. Hehehe!"
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 13:26:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
My mind filled in his inner dialogue: "Look at those people down there! They look like little drowning black ants from way up here. Hehehe!"
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Those are ANTS, stupid! We haven't taken off yet. |
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 13:51:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Because the city and county didn't have the funds to prepare for that level of disaster. However, it should be noted that local officials were blamed and suffered consequences for many of their mistakes. But the general analysis was that the mistakes of the federal government far overshadowed what the local government could have possibly compensated for. They simply didn't have the dough.
As stupid it is to worry about earthquakes, we in Los Angeles are constantly being warned by local, state and county officals to be prepared. Anyone who doesn't know by now what to do or doesn't do it (including me, I don't have everything in order) has no right to complain.
California is getting poorer by the minute too but we each have to have some personal responsibility. We don't know when an earthquake will happen but back in NO they had warning. Seems to me there must have been a way more could have gotten out one way or another if they had any sense. Poor or not. It's easy to find someone to blame when you don't want to at least try to do something for yourself.
I understand people are complaining that there were lies going around but it's like Clinton and the blue dress, haha. He only lied because shouldn't have been help up to ridicule in the 1st place. Put the blame in the right place and don't center on the lies (because they are 'out to get' someone).
Figure out how to avoid a disaster in the future don't waste time dwelling on a 2ndary misleading issue.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 14:05:42 [Permalink]
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Snake:
Seems to me there must have been a way more could have gotten out one way or another if they had any sense. Poor or not. It's easy to find someone to blame when you don't want to at least try to do something for yourself.
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pleco
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 14:07:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Snake
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
My mind filled in his inner dialogue: "Look at those people down there! They look like little drowning black ants from way up here. Hehehe!"
But the punch line is:
Those are ANTS, stupid! We haven't taken off yet.
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Robb
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 14:59:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknoxquote:
Because the city and county didn't have the funds to prepare for that level of disaster. However, it should be noted that local officials were blamed and suffered consequences for many of their mistakes. But the general analysis was that the mistakes of the federal government far overshadowed what the local government could have possibly compensated for. They simply didn't have the dough.
There is some indication that NO could have done more with the money they had and they would have wasted any more money given to them by you and me. Also note that the funding has been constant for years and the most of the cuts that President Bush wanted never happened. President Bush also wanted the money to be shifted from new projects to maintenance projects.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/07/AR2005090702462.html
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But overall, the Bush administration's funding requests for the key New Orleans flood-control projects for the past five years were slightly higher than the Clinton administration's for its past five years. Lt. Gen. Carl Strock, the chief of the Corps, has said that in any event, more money would not have prevented the drowning of the city, since its levees were designed to protect against a Category 3 storm, and the levees that failed were already completed projects.
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Louisiana not only leads the nation in overall Corps funding, it places second in new construction
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Overall, Army Corps funding has remained relatively constant for decades, despite the "Program Growth Initiative" launched by agency generals in 1999 without telling their civilian bosses in the Clinton administration. The Bush administration has proposed cuts in the Corps budget, and has tried to shift the agency's emphasis from new construction to overdue maintenance. But most of those proposals have died quietly on Capitol Hill, and the administration has not fought too hard to revive them.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 03/03/2006 : 15:11:13 [Permalink]
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Snake wrote: quote:
But the punch line is:
Those are ANTS, stupid! We haven't taken off yet.
Great one! You cracked me up!
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 03/04/2006 : 00:21:25 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Snake wrote: quote:
But the punch line is:
Those are ANTS, stupid! We haven't taken off yet.
Great one! You cracked me up!
It's an old joke, forget where I heard it(a movie I think) so I can't take credit for it but glad it made some laugh.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
2511 Posts |
Posted - 03/04/2006 : 00:30:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
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Snake:
Seems to me there must have been a way more could have gotten out one way or another if they had any sense. Poor or not. It's easy to find someone to blame when you don't want to at least try to do something for yourself.
Oy vey...
Why not question something for a change?
David, David, David!
Hypocrites abound! I guess it's ok to question or be skeptical as long as one asks the 'right' questions to get the 'acceptable' answer.
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