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BigPapaSmurf
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 Posted - 03/10/2006 : 11:46:49
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/03/10/iran.nuclear/index.html
Bushs 'im gonna invade Iran' talk is getting heavier and I think hes just gonna by-pass Syria and go for the gusto.
Id say he finds an excuse to go in by the end of the year, after all hes got to have a good reason to declare himself The Unimpeacable Ruler of the World before the next election and the more conflict the better in that regard.
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pleco
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Posted - 03/10/2006 : 12:27:11 [Permalink]
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 03/10/2006 : 16:00:52 [Permalink]
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I say GO FOR IT!
That'll teach the world a lot of lessons. Firstly, that America truly is the great nation of Satan that every God-fearing Muslim needs to learn to hate. Secondly, it'll teach American citizens that when voting or abstaining from voting, they will get what they deserve. Thirdly, the North Koreans will learn that they can always rely on America's unwillingness to antaginoze China to protect them from pre-emptive strikes against their nuclear arms program. North Korea will remain safe while the US goes after the evil Muslims.
Finally, it will teach the rest of the world that some country or another will have to mobilize their military intelligence and its' covert operations section for an assassination of an American president before it is too late, because it will be in the best interest of the world community. Someone needs to pull the plug of the fan, before Bush takes a dump on it. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/10/2006 : 16:26:01 [Permalink]
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/10/2006 : 19:45:15 [Permalink]
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Mab said:
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Secondly, it'll teach American citizens that when voting or abstaining from voting, they will get what they deserve.
Alot of us already know that, something like 49% of voters.
Of the other 51%.... some % of them is just freakin happy with W and his insanity, some % of them are just ignorant.
Go easy on the USA man.... all hope isn't lost, yet.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 03/10/2006 : 22:30:46 [Permalink]
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BigPapa, I think this is diplomatic brinkmanship being played to effect change in Iran, not a real prelude to war. The fact that the world is much more united about Iran than it had been about Iraq leads me to think this is the way it's being played. With no support, Iran would more likely compromise under such pressure.
Invading Iran, particularly with Iraq already an increasing quagmire, would be madness. I hope Bush isn't that crazy. On the other hand, if Iran continues with a nuke weapons program, the whole world would have do make a decision about it a few years down the road. If things went that way, I expect the issue of Iranian nuclear weapons would be settled by a few conventional cruise missiles.
So I think/hope that the present bellicose talk is aimed at getting Iran to accept the kind of compromise the Russians are offering them. The US can't invade Iran, when we already can't control Iraq, a country a third Iran's size and population.
Dude wrote: quote:
Alot of us already know that, something like 49% of voters.
Of the other 51%.... some % of them is just freakin happy with W and his insanity, some % of them are just ignorant.
Go easy on the USA man.... all hope isn't lost, yet.
I don't, can't, shouldn't and won't expect people here in the US or in other countries to go easy on us. We do have a screaming awful president here right now, and he threatens the whole world with his stupidity and possibly his madness. It's just not reasonable for the world to pretend our electorate had nothing to do with the situation. Maybe the world should, however, realize that 9/11 created a huge change in the minds of Americans, and made a situation where even this idiot of a President could exploit the pent-up rage of the people, and deliberately misdirect it.
On the other hand, you are right, also: Hope isn't lost. Even with the rage people felt after 9/11, only a bare majority of voters bought the lies. The percentages you mention are from the last Presidential election, and would probably be much different right now. If we do have another election, Bush and gang are going to have their comeuppance.
To re-phrase a winning campaign question that Reagan pummeled Carter with: "With a Republican White House and Congress, do you feel more secure in your person, your freedom, and your livelihood than you did in January 2001?"
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Ghost_Skeptic
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Posted - 03/10/2006 : 23:07:02 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Invading Iran, particularly with Iraq already an increasing quagmire, would be madness.
The US can't invade Iran, when we already can't control Iraq, a country a third Iran's size and population.
Never underestimate the insanity of a religious fundamentalist who thinks god is on his side. His ability to ignore evidence that contradicts what he wants to believe is phenomenal. Hopefully the shortage of troops and equipment would physically prevent it.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 03/10/2006 : 23:38:17 [Permalink]
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And Ghost_Skeptic sez: quote:
Never underestimate the insanity of a religious fundamentalist who thinks god is on his side. His ability to ignore evidence that contradicts what he wants to believe is phenomenal. Hopefully the shortage of troops and equipment would physically prevent it.
If an actual invasion of Iran were about to happen, I suspect our only clear warning would consist of several generals suddenly resigning their commissions.
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GeeMack
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Posted - 03/10/2006 : 23:45:41 [Permalink]
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George W. Bush isn't doing a very good job in the view of most Americans...quote Yahoo! News:
Bush's Approval Rating Falls to New Low
More and more people, particularly Republicans, disapprove of President Bush's performance, question his character and no longer consider him a strong leader against terrorism, according to an AP-Ipsos poll documenting one of the bleakest points of his presidency.
Nearly four out of five Americans, including 70 percent of Republicans, believe civil war will break out in Iraq -- the bloody hot spot upon which Bush has staked his presidency. Nearly 70 percent of people say the U.S. is on the wrong track, a 6-point jump since February.
And what does Georgie do when he's losing his grip? He tries to scare people. He threatens people. He kills people. As usual, we probably have more to fear from the administration than we do from those "enemies" they dangle in front of us. But do look out. Reason and rationality have never been Georgie's strong suits, if it could be argued that he ever applies them at all. All the scary people are making scary noises about Iran...quote Information Clearing House:
The 48 Hour Media-Blitz for War with Iran
In the last 48 hours all the major players in the Bush administration have issued statements warning of the impending danger of Iran.
Cheney blasted the Islamic regime saying there would be "meaningful consequences" if it refuses to comply with international demands to stop its nuclear program.
Condoleezza Rice said, "We face no greater challenge from a single country than Iran... This is a country that seems determined, it seems, to develop a nuclear weapon in defiance of the international community that is determined that they should not get one."
Donald Rumsfeld warned at a press conference on Wednesday, "I will say this about Iran. They are currently putting people into Iraq to do things that are harmful to the future of Iraq. We know it, and it is something that they, I think, will look back on as having been an error in judgment."
Bush chimed in too, "Iran must not have a nuclear weapon. The most destabilizing thing that can happen in this region and in the world is for Iran to have a nuclear weapon."
And then there was Bolton, the most vehement of all, saying that the Security Council should issue a "vigorous response" to Iran's nuclear ambitions or the United States might have to consider other steps.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 03/11/2006 : 00:31:26 [Permalink]
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Originally in the first article linked by GeeMack
Nearly four out of five Americans, including 70 percent of Republicans, believe civil war will break out in Iraq...
I wonder how many Americans, like me, think that civil war has been occuring in Iraq ever since the first "insurgent" attack which killed or injured zero American (or "coalition") troops. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2006 : 13:49:54 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
I say GO FOR IT!
That'll teach the world a lot of lessons. ...
Can me and my son come live with you then? |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/11/2006 : 14:54:25 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave W.
quote:
Originally in the first article linked by GeeMack
Nearly four out of five Americans, including 70 percent of Republicans, believe civil war will break out in Iraq...
I wonder how many Americans, like me, think that civil war has been occuring in Iraq ever since the first "insurgent" attack which killed or injured zero American (or "coalition") troops.
That civil war started the instant Saddam went underground and the Iraqis didn't have to fear him any more. I, an ignorant redneck, saw it at the time; why couldn't the rocket scientists in our government?
I'll tell you why: George the Functionally Illiterate went into Iraq knowing jack-shit about the culture of that nation. Worse yet, his alleged advisors seemed to know the same or less, or else they weren't listened to. Hell, I knew more about it than the Illustrious Idiot, for the love a'Judas! Anyone who has ever studied, or even just casually read about the Middle East could have predicted it.
And now Prayer for Brains is drooling and slobbering about Iran? I think he's just stupid enough to try it, perhaps with an Israeli cat's paw if he can't get UN backing. And won't that make the entire Mid East a democratic paradise, oh yeah.
Impeach, indict, try, weigh the evidence, convict, and imprison the fucker. He's no more than another tin-pot war criminal with a reach that far exceeds his grab!
Kind'a reminds me of someone else.... 
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 03/11/2006 : 15:45:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal
quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
I say GO FOR IT!
That'll teach the world a lot of lessons. ...
Can me and my son come live with you then?
Absolutely!
You'd have to wait in line though. Siberia already has the first place, and more people are standing in line. |
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