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Bill scott
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 Posted - 03/30/2006 : 14:19:41
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Maybe all the far left fundies can just move to France? They would be much happier I am sure...
"The French government is now a giant colossus that employs more than 25% of the entire French population! Paris pays for health care, provides lucrative pensions, subsidizes a lot of housing, and has set up a 35-hour work week. In fact, it is illegal in France for any company employee to work more than 44 hours a week.
Viva la France!
There's just one downside to this labor paradise; France is running out of money. As the population ages, the government is not going to be able to pay the freight."
A core holding of the far-left portfolio is "income redistribution," where the government imposes sky-high taxes on the affluent and then gives the money in the form of entitlements to the less well-off. Thus, the liberal hatred of "tax cuts for the rich."
http://billoreilly.com/currentarticle;jsessionid=78D882C7387F5763A2E625C72E4D65BD
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/30/2006 : 18:01:40 [Permalink]
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Ah yes; Bill O'Reilly. Not a very impressive reference on any topic.
A word of advice: when citing O'Reilly or Limbaugh, or Coulter, or any others of the ilk, get backup reference from someone known to be qualified to speak on the subject. Or better still, demand their references, and research those. You might be surprised at what you will find, if you can get those references. They tend to be stingy with them, preferring instead to simply voice their opinions.
France has a history of dealing with it's domestic problems pretty much successfully. I've little doubt that these will be dealt with as well.
We, on the other hand, seem to be going in the opposite direction. That too, will be dealt with.
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Chippewa
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Posted - 03/30/2006 : 18:31:09 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Bill scott
...the far left fundies...
i.e. normal people
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Originally posted by Bill scott
Viva la France!
This we agree on. Only a fool (or Republican toadies) would belittle a country that gave the world impressionist art, intellectual cafe life, Bridget Bardot, and the music of Debussy.
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"TAX AND SPEND" IS GOOD! (TAX: Wealthy corporations who won't go poor even after taxes. SPEND: On public works programs, education, the environment, improvements.) |
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pleco
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Posted - 03/30/2006 : 22:01:48 [Permalink]
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| and wine, and food, and philosophy, and, oh yeah, they helped the US out a bit here and there. |
by Filthy
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Ghost_Skeptic
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Posted - 03/30/2006 : 23:17:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
France is running out of money.
And the USA isn't as it contiues to rack up record deficits??
The neocons are doing an imppressive job of bankrupting the US as they fight wars with borrowed money.
Listen to Addison Wiggan - Empire of Debt (Real Audio)
Working less, consuming less and enjoying life more sounds like an excellent strategy for a world with finite resources.
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Starman
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 00:15:05 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Bill scott
Maybe all the far left fundies can just move to France? They would be much happier I am sure...
Maybe serial liar Bill O'Reilly could just move to Saudia Arabia? He would be much happier I am sure... quote:
There's just one downside to this labor paradise; France is running out of money.
So a brown nosed George II sycophant gloats over France running out of money. See the irony? |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 03/31/2006 : 03:05:03 [Permalink]
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La belle France.... In the late '50s, my ship -- USS Salem (CA-139) -- was home-ported in Villefranche. Over a couple of years, I came to enjoy the country. I toured the Louvre several times and got good and drunk in many a bistro. I came to know "Mom" Germaine, a heroine of the French Resistance, who was managing a prosperous restaurant on the Villefranche landing at the time. And, my ancestory is French Huguenot, but all is forgiven...
'Allo 'Allo is one of my favorite, British comedies. 
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
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ktesibios
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Posted - 04/04/2006 : 10:04:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
'Allo 'Allo is one of my favorite, British comedies.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/04/2006 : 11:10:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by ktesibios
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Originally posted by filthy
'Allo 'Allo is one of my favorite, British comedies.
Listen very carefully, I shall say zis only once...
"It is I, LeClair!" 
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Fripp
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Posted - 04/04/2006 : 13:20:25 [Permalink]
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And let us not forget how they helped us out during the Revolutionary War. And how about that Statue of Liberty?
Bill's likely (and profoundly stupid) response will be "that was 200 years ago..." as only Americans have such little respect for history and tradition and an even shorter attention span.
Bill, you are such an annoyingly stupid pest who has given circular reasoning a whole new level of redundancy. You have thoroughly ruined threads with your non-sequitur line of thinking. Have you no job? Are you one of those homeless preachers who shouts on street corners telling others how they will burn in Hell? |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 02:06:08 [Permalink]
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Jean-Baptiste Donatien de Vimeur, comte de Rochambeau
Marie-Joseph-Paul-Roch-Yves-Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de La Fayette
Indeed. I have read that de Rochambeau talked Washington out of attacking New York and going for Yorktown instead, thus creating American history.
Hey Bill, were it not for the Froggies...... Oh well, you can figger it out.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Bill scott
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 06:24:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Jean-Baptiste Donatien de Vimeur, comte de Rochambeau
Marie-Joseph-Paul-Roch-Yves-Gilbert du Motier, Marquis de La Fayette
Indeed. I have read that de Rochambeau talked Washington out of attacking New York and going for Yorktown instead, thus creating American history.
Hey Bill, were it not for the Froggies...... Oh well, you can figger it out.
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Indeed. I have read that de Rochambeau talked Washington out of attacking New York and going for Yorktown instead, thus creating American history.
Hey Bill, were it not for the Froggies...... Oh well, you can figger it out.
OK, you, and your fellow skeptics, need to pay a little bit better attention here. The point of the piece was the crazy French labor laws and how the US libs love them. Not French and American history of where we helped each other out. I love the French people. I work with a French mold making company in my line of work. Great people! And the French, oh, they just happen to put on the best bicycle race the planet earth will ever see. viva la France...
Oh, and BTW, the French mold company we use just shut their doors in France and they moved their shop to some where in Africa. Seems they are in a slow period and in France you can not layoff workers. So then what happens? The French owners have to close the whole shop, rather then be allowed to scale back on workers, and just relocate in a different country. So instead of a few laid off workers you have the whole plant close and move out of country. Just great for the French economy and the common working Frenchmen.
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"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 08:06:58 [Permalink]
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Were the problem unique to France, I might agree with you; however it is not. Virtually all of the world's industrialized countries are losing factories to those places that have labor working for next to nothing. Here in the states, the big, southern textile mills, plants that have employed entire families for generations, have shut down due to foreign market-flooding and abandonment by investors in favor of the foreign companies. The rags on your back and on my back were probably spun in an Asian mill. IBM out-sources to India and Ford might as well stamp: "Made in Mexico" on their automobiles.
Go to any auto parts store and see how many of their products are actually made in the USA. Check out Wal-Mart or any department store for the same thing.
I dunno. I have a solution, a rather draconian one that nobody wants to hear about 'cause the CEOs and their investors, and their political enablers and lobbyists might have to take a pay cut along with everyone else. Can't have that, now can we?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Bill scott
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 10:05:21 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Were the problem unique to France, I might agree with you; however it is not. Virtually all of the world's industrialized countries are losing factories to those places that have labor working for next to nothing. Here in the states, the big, southern textile mills, plants that have employed entire families for generations, have shut down due to foreign market-flooding and abandonment by investors in favor of the foreign companies. The rags on your back and on my back were probably spun in an Asian mill. IBM out-sources to India and Ford might as well stamp: "Made in Mexico" on their automobiles.
Go to any auto parts store and see how many of their products are actually made in the USA. Check out Wal-Mart or any department store for the same thing.
I dunno. I have a solution, a rather draconian one that nobody wants to hear about 'cause the CEOs and their investors, and their political enablers and lobbyists might have to take a pay cut along with everyone else. Can't have that, now can we?
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Virtually all of the world's industrialized countries are losing factories to those places that have labor working for next to nothing
Oh I agree. And the in the US many times the cheep labor will come to them. I find it laughable when the statments are read that immigrant workers will take the jobs that natural born Americans will not do. That is not the case. Immigrant workers will take the jobs that Americans will not do for $5.75/hour... They bring the wage scale way down... |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Snake
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 10:21:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Ah yes; Bill O'Reilly. Not a very impressive reference on any topic.
It's not about O'Reilly. Gee! It's like waving a red flag to some people who have their minds made up, if one mentions republican or far right, any of those Keywords then they don't want to listen beyond that. It's not about France, or one country or another.
It's about logic. Look at what's happening with GM. Unions ruin everything. People expect too much. Give me, give me.
For example, the minimum wage, similar to not being able to fire someone, can't you see how that hurts workers and businesses more than helps. (as much as some people want to hate anyone who owns a business, they do provide the jobs, they take the risks).
Would you rather have two people working at a high wage rather than several at a fair one? If a job doesn't pay enough and no one applies, the employer will know he should pay more, the government shouldn't make him pay. Likewise if he is forced to pay more he won't hire as many people and those willing to work won't have a job. Why can't the government realize that and stay out of everyones lives? |
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Snake
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Posted - 04/05/2006 : 10:48:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
I dunno. I have a solution, a rather draconian one that nobody wants to hear about 'cause the CEOs and their investors, and their political enablers and lobbyists might have to take a pay cut along with everyone else. Can't have that, now can we?
That's the kind of 'Us against Them' thinking that 1st of all is ridiculous and then faulty.
You might be interested to know, a lot of 'little people' are investors too. I worked for a major world wide company and bought stock through paycheck deductions. Had it not been for my investments we would not have what we do today and I'm no CEO. When dividends are cut that hurts us too.
You can believe me or not but I've gone to many a stockholder meetings for different companies and I see who's there and hear what they say. |
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