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GeeMack
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 Posted - 04/06/2006 : 12:04:48
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It was fairly apparent (if not blatantly obvious) to many of us that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney intentionally outed CIA agent Valerie Plame in order to damage the career of her husband, ambassador Joseph Wilson. You'll remember Wilson publicly criticized the Bush administration's fraudulent run up to their war of terror against the citizens of Iraq. But in case anyone has forgotten about Scooter Libby and the trouble hanging over his head in regards to the situation, here is a recent update...quote Yahoo! News:
Libby Said Bush Cleared Leak
President George W. Bush authorized the leak to the media of classified material about Iraq, a former aide to Vice President Dick Cheney said according to court papers filed by prosecutors and made public on Thursday.
The aide, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, also testified that he was specifically directed by Cheney to speak to the media about the intelligence information and about Joseph Wilson, a former ambassador who had criticized Bush's Iraq policy, according to the papers.
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Chippewa
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USA
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Posted - 04/06/2006 : 14:12:35 [Permalink]
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"I don't know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it and we'll take the appropriate action." - George W. Bush, as seen on CNN, September 2003.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/06/2006 : 20:03:54 [Permalink]
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So does "appropriate action" mean finding another fall guy?
Apparently.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
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trogdor
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 04/06/2006 : 21:53:53 [Permalink]
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unfortionently, this is not the first time that Bush has lied. As of yet nothing has happened to him about it. It seems as though this country cannot muster the cumulative balls to kick this guy's sorry ass out of the white house. I lose faith in the American people every time this happens.  |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/06/2006 : 22:35:25 [Permalink]
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unfortionently, this is not the first time that Bush has lied. As of yet nothing has happened to him about it. It seems as though this country cannot muster the cumulative balls to kick this guy's sorry ass out of the white house.
This may just be my personal political bias talking...
Generally speaking:
The republicans have, for the last 10 years, joined ranks solidly. They refuse to admit error, and worse yet they refuse to admit that they CAN be wrong. It has worked well for them as a political strategy, as evidenced by their continued majority in the legislature and the fact that a shrub like W can be elected president.
For them, and the people who vote for them, it seems reality and truth have taken a distant second seat to spin. As long as they remember to praise jesus from time to time their rabid base will forgive them anything.
This shit will probably roll off Bush just as all the other shit has.
As time has passed the moderates and centrist republicans have been replaced by people who pander to their base... but only because it is a proven way to win an election.
I submit John Mcain's recent change of opinion on Falwell, Robertson, and intelligent design as evidence. The guy KNOWS he can't get elected if he takes the side of reason against a man he once called an "agent of intolerance". The sad part is he's wrong. He'd win in a heartbeat if he stood up and took a moderate stance, brushed off the more rabid base, and stood up for the moderate republican values he once fought for. Shit... I'd have voted for him if he had stuck to his old platform, like what he was running on in 2000. He has zero chance to get my vote now.
Its sickening.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 01:28:49 [Permalink]
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This is getting mind boggling. I see hope of impeachment, that steady slow rolling that happened to Nixon like a snowball going downhill.
The news media is going on about how it wasn't illegal, as if that is the issue! First, I don't agree there anyway because the actual procedures weren't followed. But even so, what about ethical and what about being in the best interest of homeland security and what about adding to the Downing Street and the other memo providing even more evidence the war was started on a lie!!!!! What's with the news media can't they figure that out? |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 01:49:20 [Permalink]
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 04/07/2006 : 04:23:21 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by Chippewa
"I don't know of anybody in my administration who leaked classified information. If somebody did leak classified information, I'd like to know it and we'll take the appropriate action." - George W. Bush, as seen on CNN, September 2003.
Maybe lying to the public is the advice that he received when talking to a "Higher Father".
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
3834 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2006 : 15:12:26 [Permalink]
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I'm gathering the leaked info wasn't Valerie Plame's name. So is Libby not accused** of leaking the Plame name but only leaking cherry picked CIA info on Saddam's nuclear ambitions?
**I know the legal charges are perjury and obstructing justice but I'm talking here about whatever Libby leaked to the press. |
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/10/2006 : 00:36:53 [Permalink]
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| I'm bumping this in case there is someone on the board still interested in answering my question. |
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/10/2006 : 00:47:12 [Permalink]
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From what I have read Libby was given permission (so Libby says, anyway) by Cheney (who told him he had permission from W) to leak a specific part of the NIE (national intelligence estimate) to counter Ambassador Wilson's op-ed article that beat up on Bush about the Nigerian uranium.
Libby leaked some info about 10 days before the parts of the NIE he was supposedly told to leak were officially declassified.
He isn't up on any charge related to leaking a covert CIA agent's name, only for lying to the grand jury. For the purjury part, it looks bad for Libby.
As for the leaking of the name, it looks as if the prosecutor is leaving open the possibilities still. Fairly pathetic that he has to deal with an entire administration of obstructionists to try and figure out who leaked the name.
But Plame's name was leaked, nobody knows if W or Cheney instructed any of their underlings to do the leaking. It is beyond reason to expect that the leaking of Plame's status as a covert agent was anything other than a part of the retaliation against Wilson though. I doubt any charge will ever be brought against anyone for leaking her status.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
The handmaiden of desperation; the opiate of despair; the illegible signpost on the road to perdition. ~~ da filth |
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 07/13/2006 : 14:01:30 [Permalink]
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Update...quote Yahoo! News:
Ex-CIA Agent Sues Cheney, Others in Leak Case
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former CIA operative Valerie Plame and her husband sued Vice President Dick Cheney, top presidential aide Karl Rove and others on Thursday for their role in the public disclosure of her classified CIA status.
The suit was the latest twist in a long-running saga over the outing of Plame that put President George W. Bush on the defensive over his reasons for taking the United States to war in Iraq and reached into the highest levels of the White House.
The civil lawsuit by Plame and her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, said the couple suffered violations of their constitutional and legal rights.
This could create several new angles on the situation, what with who-knows-who being called upon to testify, maybe subpoenas, etc. Could be interesting.
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 07/13/2006 : 16:14:53 [Permalink]
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GeeMack, thanks for posting that. This is George W. Bush's "Smoking Gun." This is the news that will bring down Bush. With time and considerable struggle, of course.
One thing to look forward to in the next months is a major defector from the Bush League administration. Someone who knows where the bodies are buried, and, for personal or ethical reasons, will betray the President. When you see that, it will be all over but the shouting.
My prediction: Bush resigns in 2007.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 07/13/2006 : 23:15:16 [Permalink]
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My aren't we in an optimistic mood there HM.
Considering Bush lives in a fantasy world where war is peace and he has made the world a safer place, seems a stretch. If he was in touch with reality, maybe. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 07/14/2006 : 05:56:00 [Permalink]
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quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal
My aren't we in an optimistic mood there HM.
Considering Bush lives in a fantasy world where war is peace and he has made the world a safer place, seems a stretch. If he was in touch with reality, maybe.
Maybe when his own Daddy leads a parade of Republican heavy hitters into the Oval Office and tells Shrub that he is destroying the Party, it's time to resign, and tells him he will be impeached and convicted if he holds onto office, then it will be over.
George W's only other option will be to declare a national state of siege, in effect establishing a dictatorship, followed by civil war. That's the option that still worries me. Otherwise, he's going down.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
USA
6891 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 21:07:56 [Permalink]
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The only way he is going down is if something happens that makes the republicans in the house think that sticking by him will make them lose their next election.
Or, by some miracle, the dems win a majority in the house this year.
I don't see either happening.
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Ignorance is preferable to error; and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing, than he who believes what is wrong.
-- Thomas Jefferson
"god :: the last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument." - G. Carlin
Hope, n.
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