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Valiant Dancer
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 Posted - 04/25/2006 : 09:02:41 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
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Originally posted by drmabus
I think I can CRUSH your SKEPTICISM....
I CRUSH YOUR HEAD!!!
I SQUISH YOUR FACE!!!!
Reach out and touch faith. |
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Paulos23
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Posted - 04/25/2006 : 09:20:35 [Permalink]
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You can go wrong by being too skeptical as readily as by being too trusting. -- Robert A. Heinlein
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley |
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drmabus
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Posted - 04/25/2006 : 11:18:53 [Permalink]
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IT SAYS:
THE *YEAR* 1999, *SEPTEMBER*
BEFORE AND AFTER (X2) MARS REIGNS
IT ONLY SAYS *THAT* YEAR
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Originally posted by sts60
But when did the failures actually occur?
Mars Climate Orbiter was lost in Stepember 1999 when the spacecraft broke apart under aerodynamic loads far deeper in the Martian atmosphere than it was supposed to be for aerobraking. However, the system engineering and management failures (mismatched units, insufficient communication between spacecraft contractor and JPL astrogation team, failure to speak up about inconsistencies, etc.) were built into the program years from the start.
Mars Polar Lander was lost in December 1999 when a shock signal generated during landing gear deployment was interpreted as a landing shock, causing the engine to shut down and letting the spacecraft simply drop a few dozen meters to the surface. Again, the system engineering failures were built into the system with the budget and time pressures causing insufficient analysis and testing, which would have caught the problem generated by the lack of a simple debouncing circuit.
sts60 is an expert in this field. I'd trust his unsourced assertions much more than yours. (Although, unlike you, sts60 would be quite content to provide sources if asked.)
Heck, drmabus himself (in his 4/24 post at 20:48, page 10 of the thread) posted a link to the NASA page summarizing the attempts to explore the Red Planet: http://history.nasa.gov/marschro.htm
Why he did this, I don't know, because it directly contradicts his claim. There has been bad luck both before and after 1999.
Four nations (counting Europe as one "nation" via the European Space Agency) have tried to reach Mars. The USSR/Russia has had a particularly brutal history trying to get there - kind of ironic considering they were the first to successfully land on the hellish surface of Venus. The USA has had a number of both spectacular successes (Viking 1 & 2, three rovers, Mars Global Surveyor, etc.) and excruciating failures (see above for two examples). Europe is 1 for 2 and Japan is hitless in their only at-bat so far.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/25/2006 : 11:50:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by drmabus
IT SAYS:
THE *YEAR* 1999, *SEPTEMBER*
No, it doesn't:L'an mil neuf cens nonante neuf sept mois,
Du ciel viendra vn grand Roy d'effrayeur:
Resusciter le grand Roy d'Angolmois,
Auant apres Mars regner par bon-heur.
The year 1999, seventh month,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror:
To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.
- Nostradamus Repository September hasn't been the seventh month in the calendar for 2,700 years. Or are you arguing that Nostradamus switched to using a 2,200-year-old calendar when writing his quatrains?quote:
BEFORE AND AFTER (X2) MARS REIGNS
Yes, the God of War will reign (by good luck) before and after 1999, according to Mike. What's that mean?quote:
IT ONLY SAYS *THAT* YEAR
No, it proclaims a specific month (July). |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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moakley
SFN Regular
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Posted - 04/25/2006 : 12:39:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by drmabus
I deal with utter MORONS, I know that.....
You should find different friends. |
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Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. -Anonymous |
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sts60
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 04/25/2006 : 12:48:36 [Permalink]
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IT SAYS:
THE *YEAR* 1999, *SEPTEMBER*
BEFORE AND AFTER (X2) MARS REIGNS
IT ONLY SAYS *THAT* YEAR
I know what it says. It says the seventh month of 1999. You posted that yourself over on BAUT. Why are you changing your story now? First it was the seventh month, then it was September, now it's not even a specific month?
It also says something about a "king of terror". What does that have to do with space probes about the size of a passenger automobile? Considering the embarrassing systems and managment failures leading to their losses, why shouldn't it have been "king of comedy"?
And, for that matter - how exactly is a space probe, or a planet, supposed to bring back the "king of the Mongols"? Which king? How exactly does an artificial or natural celestial object accomplish this?
Finally, I'll note that once again you have failed to address the refutation of your "before" and "after" claim. Zond 2, Mariner 8, Mars 7, Phobos 1, Mars 96, Mars Observer, Nozomi, Beagle 2. Plenty of bad luck before and after.
Your claim is not only absurd on its face and inconsistent with reality, it is not even internally consistent. |
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drmabus
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Posted - 04/25/2006 : 16:05:57 [Permalink]
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I made a mistake. IT SAYS "SEPT MOIS" which can be both 7 or SEPTEMBER in FRENCH........
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Originally posted by sts60
IT SAYS:
THE *YEAR* 1999, *SEPTEMBER*
BEFORE AND AFTER (X2) MARS REIGNS
IT ONLY SAYS *THAT* YEAR
I know what it says. It says the seventh month of 1999. You posted that yourself over on BAUT. Why are you changing your story now? First it was the seventh month, then it was September, now it's not even a specific month?
It also says something about a "king of terror". What does that have to do with space probes about the size of a passenger automobile? Considering the embarrassing systems and managment failures leading to their losses, why shouldn't it have been "king of comedy"?
And, for that matter - how exactly is a space probe, or a planet, supposed to bring back the "king of the Mongols"? Which king? How exactly does an artificial or natural celestial object accomplish this?
Finally, I'll note that once again you have failed to address the refutation of your "before" and "after" claim. Zond 2, Mariner 8, Mars 7, Phobos 1, Mars 96, Mars Observer, Nozomi, Beagle 2. Plenty of bad luck before and after.
Your claim is not only absurd on its face and inconsistent with reality, it is not even internally consistent.
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drmabus
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Posted - 04/25/2006 : 16:08:17 [Permalink]
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| as for the *existence* of the KING OF TERROR see the D.M. 66 QUATRAIN AND INTERPRETATION |
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pleco
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Posted - 04/25/2006 : 16:22:43 [Permalink]
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| One wonders how many other "mistakes" have been made.... |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
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sts60
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 04/25/2006 : 16:31:07 [Permalink]
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I made a mistake. IT SAYS "SEPT MOIS" which can be both 7 or SEPTEMBER in FRENCH........
Now you're on your fourth version of what this means. First it was September 1999, then it was the seventh month of 1999 (July), then it was the entire year 1999, now it's both July and September, with ol' Nostradamus conveniently using an abbreviation!
Why don't you take some time and come back when you can decide on one story and stick to it?
as for the *existence* of the KING OF TERROR see the D.M. 66 QUATRAIN AND INTERPRETATION
Your interpretation made no sense the first time I read it; I've already pointed out why. Why should I read it again?
Oh, and yet another failure to defend your refuted "good fortune before and after" claim duly noted. |
| Edited by - sts60 on 04/25/2006 16:32:23 |
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sts60
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 04/25/2006 : 16:36:26 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by pleco
One wonders how many other "mistakes" have been made....
Well, here's another one I just realized. drmabus claimed the failure of two Mars probes in one year to be a "world historical novelty". This is patently untrue; if you look at the list he conveniently provided, you can see two failures happening in one year several times before.
It's not just the wild stretching of mystic old mumbo-jumbo to fit modern events, and not just the 20/20 (well, more like 20/500) hindsight, that's so sad. It's also the shooting oneself in the foot, repeatedly, that's kind of painful to watch. |
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pleco
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Posted - 04/25/2006 : 16:46:15 [Permalink]
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| It's what happens when you weave a web based on bad information - you get yourself caught in it eventually. |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
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drmabus
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Posted - 04/25/2006 : 17:59:58 [Permalink]
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| we are far beyond the 1999 quatrain....we are now at SIX-LEGGED LAMB with the TOTAL SOLAR ECLIPSE QUATRAIN III,34 |
| Edited by - drmabus on 04/25/2006 18:01:32 |
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drmabus
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Posted - 04/25/2006 : 18:04:23 [Permalink]
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I'll keep going until you UNDERSTAND THE SYMBOLISM HERE:
March 20, 2006 - SIX-LEGGED LAMB BORN
March 29, 2006 - Total Solar Eclipse
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/SEmono/TSE2006/TSE2006.html
THE DIVINE MONSTER:
Century III, Quatrain 34
Quand le deffaut du Soleil lors sera
Sur le plein iour le monstre sera veu:
Tout autrement on l'interpretera,
Cherte' n'a garde nul n'y aura pourueu.
When the eclipse of the Sun will then be,
In broad daylight the MONSTER will be seen
Everyone will differ on the interpretation,
High price unguarded: none will have prepared
THE DIVINE MONSTER SIX-LEGGED LAMB:
http://www.local6.com/news/8142168/detail.html
*SYMBOL* OF THE ANTICHRIST......
http://www.wordinfo.info/words/index/info/view_unit/1330/?letter=M&sp...
monstr-, monst-
(Latin: an omen; a supernatural manifestation; hence,
"horrific-supernatural being; supernatural manifestation")
Primarily used in medical references to a fetus or an infant with
substantial physical abnormalities considered by some to be like a
"monster".
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 04/25/2006 : 18:12:06 [Permalink]
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I quote Pleco's daughter:
"It is fun to jump on monsters." |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
-- unknown
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