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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 04/27/2006 : 16:58:47 [Permalink]
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| Look at Clinton's record. More minorities in prison, wages decline, destruction of Yugoslavia, genocidal behavior in Iraq, NAFTA signed. That's just off the top of my head. Not much of a record on many of the other points. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 04/27/2006 : 18:09:04 [Permalink]
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Did the Clinton Democrats ever claim to be more accepting of Christ than his Republican counterparts?
Seems to me that this discussion isn't about which political party behaves worse, it's about which political party behaves more hypocritically.
By claiming to share the values of the religious right in order to get votes, the Republicans have set for themselves a rather high standard of behaviour, and are miserably failing to meet it. Have the Democrats recently done likewise? |
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sts60
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Posted - 04/27/2006 : 18:22:47 [Permalink]
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I fail to see any of these values expressed in the policies or actions of the current Republican-controlled govenment even though they claim to be the more "christian" political party.
You know, there are a number of Christians who express similar sentiments. Come to think of it, there's an increasing number of articles, columns, and blogs about Republicans who think that party has "abandoned traditional conservative values", and are saying so publicly. |
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trogdor
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Posted - 04/27/2006 : 18:24:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by sts60
I didn't mean that all christians are conservatives. Rather, I feel the ones who are are poor christians.
Well, what about conservatives who are also poor and minority and deeply religious? (I laughed when I wrote this because we just saw The Ladykillers on rerun the other night.)
Or Christians who are just small-government conservatives but progressive in other areas?
Or evangelicals who believe care of the environment is a religious duty?
Or evangelicals who accept evolutionary theory (yes, they do exist)?
These people actually exist, y'know.
so, I'm kinda changing the subject, but when we look at conservatives and/or christians who are very different than the norm. I feel as though I should bring up that fact that I have a good friend who is a christian, republican, and homosexual. Cool guy.
Other than that, can we try to get this thread more skeptical by backing up our claims?
I'll start:more Catholics think torture is justified than the general public
I found that study kinda depressing altogether. |
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dv82matt
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Posted - 04/27/2006 : 18:36:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by trogdor
so, I'm kinda changing the subject, but when we look at conservatives and/or christians who are very different than the norm. I feel as though I should bring up that fact that I have a good friend who is a christian, republican, and homosexual. Cool guy.
Indeed. Actually you've perked my curiosity. What's his reasoning for being republican? I just find it odd is all. |
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trogdor
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 04/27/2006 : 19:25:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by dv82matt
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Originally posted by trogdor
so, I'm kinda changing the subject, but when we look at conservatives and/or christians who are very different than the norm. I feel as though I should bring up that fact that I have a good friend who is a christian, republican, and homosexual. Cool guy.
Indeed. Actually you've perked my curiosity. What's his reasoning for being republican? I just find it odd is all.
Odd it is. Although we don't talk about it much, (we have agreed to disagree) I think he is a fiscal republican. Ironicly I have brought people including the gay republican to this site to prove that people like Bill Scott exist |
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dv82matt
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Posted - 04/27/2006 : 19:47:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by trogdor
Odd it is. Although we don't talk about it much, (we have agreed to disagree) I think he is a fiscal republican. Ironicly I have brought people including the gay republican to this site to prove that people like Bill Scott exist
Bill Scott could be a bit of a reality check for some I guess.  I wonder if it may just be what he's comfortable with, the devil he knows, so to speak. If you know, what does he think of Ann Coulter? I can't imagine he shares her agenda towards gays so how does he view her? An embarassment to the conservative movement perhaps. |
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Ghost_Skeptic
SFN Regular
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Posted - 04/27/2006 : 23:22:54 [Permalink]
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| Given their complete fiscal irresponsibility as evidenced by huge deficits, I do not think the Bush adminstration could be called conservatives. |
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dv82matt
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Posted - 04/28/2006 : 00:00:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Ghost_Skeptic
Given their complete fiscal irresponsibility as evidenced by huge deficits, I do not think the Bush adminstration could be called conservatives.
Very good point. Something fiscal conservatives should consider before voting Republican. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 04/28/2006 : 03:41:58 [Permalink]
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By claiming to share the values of the religious right in order to get votes, the Republicans have set for themselves a rather high standard of behaviour, and are miserably failing to meet it. Have the Democrats recently done likewise?
I think the Republicans have been more overtly anti-non-Christian, and anti-science, and anti- those things on Humbert's list, and the Repubs have probably been more of some of those things than others. But, the Democrats ran right with the others when the wars started(instead of spending money for AIDS, or money for science, etc.), ran right with the others when they said the Pledge on the Capitol steps, etc.
Hypocritical? When you belong to a party that's supposedly pro-labor and pro-minority, and you push something like NAFTA through, you watch wages decline for years, you watch minorites get locked up by the thousands. I suppose some could call that hypocritical.
With George Bush, you know where he stands. He makes no bones about despising international law, gays, and reality itself. With him, there is little hypocrisy. Sure, he talks about democracy, but we all know that that means democracy for the super-wealthy. When Clinton spoke of humanitarian war, people really believed it. No one buys into George Bush's nonsense, do they? |
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The dog has not been fed in years
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 04/28/2006 : 07:07:13 [Permalink]
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| As a democrat, I still prefer our liars to their liars... |
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dv82matt
SFN Regular
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Posted - 04/28/2006 : 09:38:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
As a democrat, I still prefer our liars to their liars...
As a Canadian, I still have trouble understanding how Bush got elected to a second term.  |
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Siberia
SFN Addict
Brazil
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Posted - 04/28/2006 : 12:10:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by dv82matt
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Originally posted by Kil
As a democrat, I still prefer our liars to their liars...
As a Canadian, I still have trouble understanding how Bush got elected to a second term.
As a Brazilian, I wish he wasn't |
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trogdor
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 04/28/2006 : 14:30:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by dv82matt
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Originally posted by Kil
As a democrat, I still prefer our liars to their liars...
As a Canadian, I still have trouble understanding how Bush got elected to a second term.
As an American I still have trouble seeing how bush got elected to a second term. |
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Espritch
Skeptic Friend
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 04/28/2006 : 18:16:13 [Permalink]
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* And its cosmology (in which mankind is an inconsequential accident)
Then, of course, there's the liberal creation myth: Charles Darwin's theory of evolution.
For liberals, evolution is the touchstone that separates the enlightened from the benighted. But Coulter neatly refutes the charade that liberals are rationalists guided by the ideals of free inquiry and the scientific method. She exposes the essential truth about Darwinian evolution that liberals refuse to confront: it is bogus science.
So Miss Coulter has determined that Evolution is bogus science? Would someone please refresh my memory as to why she is qualified to make such a determination?
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