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| RandySFN Regular
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/01/2001 :  14:27:46     
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           	| http://www.au.org/press/pr112901.htm 
 ...from the site:
 
 "BUSH PREPARED TO NOMINATE 'BIBLICAL LAW'
 ACTIVIST J. ROBERT BRAME TO NATIONAL LABOR
 RELATIONS BOARD
 
 BRAME HAS TIES TO GROUPS THAT OPPOSE
 WOMEN'S RIGHTS, REJECT DEMOCRACY AND
 BELIEVE GAYS SHOULD BE EXECUTED
 
 According to media sources, President George W. Bush appears
 ready to nominate J. Robert Brame III to serve as a member of
 the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), despite Brame's
 long-standing leadership of religious-political extremist groups
 on the farthest fringes of the Religious Right.
 
 Brame has served as a top official of American Vision, an
 Atlanta-based group that seeks to replace America's secular
 democracy with a "Christian" regime based on "biblical law,"
 including enforcement of the harsh legal code of the Old
 Testament. He has also served as an advisor to the Plymouth
 Rock Foundation, a Plymouth, Mass., group with similar views.
 
 Brame recently resigned from the American Vision board after
 the group's controversial agenda became public. Though Brame
 served on the board since at least 1994, he told The Wall
 Street Journal that he was unaware of American Vision's
 extreme views.
 
 American Vision has described democracy as "the first step
 toward fascism," argues that women must be subordinate to
 men and insists that the Bible requires the death penalty for
 gays."
 
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 Write those cards and letters of protest, people.
 
 
 
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| TrishSFN Addict
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/01/2001 :  18:57:42   [Permalink]     
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| quote:Brame has served as a top official of American Vision, an Atlanta-based group that seeks to replace America's secular
 democracy with a "Christian" regime based on "biblical law," including enforcement of the harsh legal code of the Old Testament. He has also served as an advisor to the Plymouth Rock Foundation, a Plymouth, Mass., group with similar views.
 
 
 Can we say *Taliban*? Thus it begins.
 
 It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain
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| @tomicAdministrator
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/01/2001 :  19:11:01   [Permalink]       
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| I find it hard to believe Bush has an 85% approval rating. People need to take a good hard look at who they elected next time. This is beyond offensive. 
 @tomic
 
 Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
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| TrishSFN Addict
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/02/2001 :  19:34:57   [Permalink]     
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| Gee, guess I'd better get ready to be drug to my fathers house and stoned. (Or does the babble say anything about having a child outside marriage?) I damn sure remember most women getting stoned before a child could be born - unless they were slaves - and those were only the children of gawd's chosen ones. Hmmm.....is she held accountable for it too? This could get sticky real quick - how many will be killed for just this alone - considering the numbers of children in single parent homes. 
 It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain
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| GarretteSFN Regular
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/03/2001 :  06:09:29   [Permalink]       
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| quote:AND BELIEVE GAYS SHOULD BE EXECUTED
 
 
 
 TOP TEN REASONS TO EXECUTE GAYS:
 
 10.  They make straight guys' houses look badly decorated.
 9.  Girls like 'em better as friends.
 8.  They won't watch the Super Bowl and belch loudly with the rest of us.
 7.  They make straight guys look badly dressed (Snake is exempt from this one)
 
 
 Some one else will have to do the rest, but as you can plainly see, gays are horrible, awful people who must be wiped out before they improve the rest of society.
 
 My kids still love me.
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| Donnie B.Skeptic Friend
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/15/2001 :  08:00:50   [Permalink]     
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| quote:
 TOP TEN REASONS TO EXECUTE GAYS:
 
 10.  They make straight guys' houses look badly decorated.
 9.  Girls like 'em better as friends.
 8.  They won't watch the Super Bowl and belch loudly with the rest of us.
 7.  They make straight guys look badly dressed (Snake is exempt from this one)
 
 
 
 6. Some of them are bisexual, so they don't even have the decency to remove themselves from competition with us normal guys for women.
 
 5. Lisps and limp wrists are annoying.
 
 -- Donnie B.
 
 Hey, don't get pissed, it's a joke, okay?
 
 Edited by - Donnie B. on 12/15/2001  08:02:33
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| LisaSFN Regular
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/15/2001 :  12:14:50   [Permalink]     
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| 
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 TOP TEN REASONS TO EXECUTE GAYS:
 
 10.  They make straight guys' houses look badly decorated.
 9.  Girls like 'em better as friends.
 8.  They won't watch the Super Bowl and belch loudly with the rest of us.
 7.  They make straight guys look badly dressed (Snake is exempt from this one)
 
 
 6. Some of them are bisexual, so they don't even have the decency to remove themselves from competition with us normal guys for women.
 
 5. Lisps and limp wrists are annoying.
 
 
 4.  Better decorating sense than I can ever hope to have.  (If I made Christopher Lowell a nice cheesecake, would he come to my house and do something about my living room?)
 Lisa
 
 If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.
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| hatten_jcNew Member
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/18/2001 :  05:47:54   [Permalink]       
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| This only say one thing.. American Talibans...
 The pris for freedom and democracy is constant viglanse..
 
 
 
 quote:
 http://www.au.org/press/pr112901.htm
 
 ...from the site:
 
 "BUSH PREPARED TO NOMINATE 'BIBLICAL LAW'
 ACTIVIST J. ROBERT BRAME TO NATIONAL LABOR
 RELATIONS BOARD
 
 BRAME HAS TIES TO GROUPS THAT OPPOSE
 WOMEN'S RIGHTS, REJECT DEMOCRACY AND
 BELIEVE GAYS SHOULD BE EXECUTED
 
 According to media sources, President George W. Bush appears
 ready to nominate J. Robert Brame III to serve as a member of
 the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), despite Brame's
 long-standing leadership of religious-political extremist groups
 on the farthest fringes of the Religious Right.
 
 Brame has served as a top official of American Vision, an
 Atlanta-based group that seeks to replace America's secular
 democracy with a "Christian" regime based on "biblical law,"
 including enforcement of the harsh legal code of the Old
 Testament. He has also served as an advisor to the Plymouth
 Rock Foundation, a Plymouth, Mass., group with similar views.
 
 Brame recently resigned from the American Vision board after
 the group's controversial agenda became public. Though Brame
 served on the board since at least 1994, he told The Wall
 Street Journal that he was unaware of American Vision's
 extreme views.
 
 American Vision has described democracy as "the first step
 toward fascism," argues that women must be subordinate to
 men and insists that the Bible requires the death penalty for
 gays."
 
 ==============================
 Write those cards and letters of protest, people.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Never underestemate a humans capaity for activ stupity
 Sorry about my lousy English ? can we talk in Swedish :)
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| TrishSFN Addict
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/18/2001 :  11:31:20   [Permalink]     
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| quote:This only say one thing..
 American Talibans...
 The pris for freedom and democracy is constant viglanse..
 
 
 Well, unfortunately, in the wake of 11 Sept too many Americans are willing to overlook this premise. I want to feel safe - therefore my government should protect me - let them decide what's best for me. I don't see a loss of my freedoms, the new laws haven't affected me in anyway. I don't see what's wrong with requiring everyone to carry national ID. There is no impingement upon my freedom by the government forcing me to carry such.
 
 These are all things I have heard from people around me everytime the issue is raised. So what, who cares. They don't see the concept of a return to the Alien and Sedition Acts (for those who have ever heard of them) or McCarthyism (after I explain what that was) or the new Ashcroft, Rumsfeld, Bush coalition government. I want to scream and beat this concept into their heads, they don't care. This apathy, by the general citizen, is the most frightening of all. Fortunately, there is one rational person where I work.
 
 This probably deserves a poll - and maybe I'll set it up. But has anyone ever noticed that it is those citizens who operate outside the mainstream, i.e. atheists, agnostics, wiccans, pagans, neo-pagans, etc, that actually care about this stuff, where the average citizen doesn't see a problem? This is an observation - in my own admitedly limited sphere - that I have made.
 
 It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain
 
 Edited by - Trish on 12/18/2001  11:32:37
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| LisaSFN Regular
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/18/2001 :  11:56:00   [Permalink]     
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| I even met one lady who thinks that American law enforcement should be taken over by the military.  When Mrs. Average starts advocating martial law, I get worried. Lisa
 
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| Valiant DancerForum Goalie
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/18/2001 :  12:09:48   [Permalink]       
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| quote:
 This probably deserves a poll - and maybe I'll set it up. But has anyone ever noticed that it is those citizens who operate outside the mainstream, i.e. atheists, agnostics, wiccans, pagans, neo-pagans, etc, that actually care about this stuff, where the average citizen doesn't see a problem? This is an observation - in my own admitedly limited sphere - that I have made.
 
 
 
 This hits the core of the problem. Those people who are actually exercising their first amendment rights, are the first ones to express concern where the government is going. Usually due to historical patterns. When the rights grabbers get started, it rarely stops at the "problem people", it usually goes straight to the "people who think differently." It was due to these people that, I think, Benjamin Franklin made his now often quoted statement about security and freedom. It's been a problem for over 200 years, through vigilance the rights grabbers can be stopped.
 
 
 
 
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| hatten_jcNew Member
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/19/2001 :  09:16:02   [Permalink]       
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| i understand you there are SO many that are Activly stupid and blind when it come to consider the consequens of there action the avfull part is that they are NOT the only one that have to suffer the consecvens of there action we that  are thinking on consequens will suffer beside them... 
 
 
 
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 I even met one lady who thinks that American law enforcement should be taken over by the military.  When Mrs. Average starts advocating martial law, I get worried.
 Lisa
 
 If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much room.
 
 
 
 Never underestemate a humans capaity for activ stupity
 Sorry about my lousy English ? can we talk in Swedish :)
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| filthySFN Die Hard
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/19/2001 :  10:46:46   [Permalink]     
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| Hey hatten_jc 
 Don't worry about your english. Your meaning cones through loud and clear. I hear ya, brother!
 
 f
 
 The more I learn about people, the better I like rattlesnakes.
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| Donnie B.Skeptic Friend
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/19/2001 :  17:34:37   [Permalink]     
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| Hatten_jc, 
 If you would like to use the correct English spelling in your signature line, change it to this:
 
 Never underestimate a human's capacity for active stupidity.
 
 
 
 
 -- Donnie B.
 
 Brian: "No, no! You have to think for yourselves!"  Crowd: "Yes! We have to think for ourselves!"
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| gezzamSFN Regular
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/19/2001 :  18:18:10   [Permalink]       
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| quote:"BUSH PREPARED TO NOMINATE 'BIBLICAL LAW'
 ACTIVIST J. ROBERT BRAME TO NATIONAL LABOR
 RELATIONS BOARD
 
 BRAME HAS TIES TO GROUPS THAT OPPOSE
 WOMEN'S RIGHTS, REJECT DEMOCRACY AND
 BELIEVE GAYS SHOULD BE EXECUTED
 
 
 
 
 Holy Moly, that is one scary link.....
 
 Geez, you wouldn't want to be his wife....and god forbid, be his son and have homosexual tendancies....
 
 
 
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 TOP TEN REASONS TO EXECUTE GAYS:
 
 10. They make straight guys' houses look badly decorated.
 9. Girls like 'em better as friends.
 8. They won't watch the Super Bowl and belch loudly with the rest of us.
 7. They make straight guys look badly dressed (Snake is exempt from this one)
 
 
 6. Some of them are bisexual, so they don't even have the decency to remove themselves from competition with us normal guys for women.
 
 5. Lisps and limp wrists are annoying.
 
 
 
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 4. My fiancee thinks they smell better than me.
 
 3. They don't have beerguts that hang out over their belts
 
 "Damn you people. Go back to your shanties." --- Shooter McGavin
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| PiltdownSkeptic Friend
 
  
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|  Posted - 12/19/2001 :  21:57:16   [Permalink]         
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| American Vision's website: http://www.avision1.com/ The website is mostly a catalog of books, tapes, and other junk they have for sale, but there is a revealing "Mission Statement" that says, among other things, that "Right thought precedes right action." They apparently take a very strong creationist stance (yikes!). 
 Just in case AV's own merchandising pitch misses anyone, American Vision president Gary DeMar has his own direct marketing company, Nelson Direct, which sells "quality Christian Merchandise." http://www.nelsondirect.com/nelsondirect/bio.asp?cid=1581
 You can e-mail this stalwart leader of Christian business at garydemar@mindspring.com
 
 Abducting UFOs and conspiring against conspiracy theorists since 1980.
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