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HalfMooner
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Posted - 05/22/2006 :  12:52:57  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
This is an article from New Scientist:
quote:

Pigeon-brained birds can think in logarithms

09:45 21 May 2006

CONFUSED by logarithms? If so, you'll be surprised to hear they come naturally to pigeons and possibly, subconsciously, to you.

There are asymmetries in the way animals perceive numbers and time, and a recent experiment showed that pigeons underestimate the midpoint between two time intervals.

In the experiment, pigeons were trained to tap one lever when a light flash was "short", perhaps 1 second long, and another lever when the flash was "long", say 16 seconds. When the birds then saw flashes of intermediate length, you would expect them to distinguish long from short around the mid-point of 8 or 9 seconds. But instead they switched at 4 seconds.

Pigeons might perceive time on a logarithmic scale on which higher values are increasingly compressed together. Alternatively, they might perceive time linearly but are confused by longer intervals. If pigeons use a log scale, they will correctly classify 9 and 10-second flashes more often than 7 and 8-second flashes, while if they use a linear model their accuracy should be similar. William Roberts from the University of Western Ontario in London, Canada, has now shown that six pigeons, tapping levers for 20 days, conformed neatly to the logarithmic model (Behavioural Processes, vol 72, p 207).

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Even pigeons are better at math than I am. When I was a kid, I wanted to be a rocket scientist and spaceman (the words, "cosmonaut" and "astronaut" hadn't yet been coined). But my sub-pigeon level of math ability made this impossible. Logarithms in particular flew over my head, shitting down on me the like the pigeons themselves.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive.

Edited by - HalfMooner on 05/22/2006 12:54:21
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