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Garrette
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USA
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 Posted - 12/21/2001 : 05:01:23 [Permalink]
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Only INDIVIDUALS care about individual freedoms. Everybody else looks for ways to silence everybody else who disagrees with him/her/it. (I used *it* for the brainless ones who want to silence INDIVIDUALS.
Therefore, I selected Atheists, Agnostics, Free Thinkers, and Humanitarians (just so long as they are individuals and not just members of cults created by anti-individuals.
ljbrs
Damn, ljbrs, this is so simple and obvious it's almost brilliant. BTW, I'm saying this seriously, not facetiously. I think there's much to be said for this...
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the primary appeal of the wiccan religion is the opportunity to participate in frequent orgies with people who couldent get laid at society for creative anacronism functions. lots of nudity lots of sex-fun religion but otherwise irrational.
comrade billyboy
I think there is at least one Wiccan here who would disagree. My exposure to them also leads me to disagree. On the other hand, I sure hope you're right.
Valiant? Can you get me in on any of this stuff? Even though it's not true, maybe there's enough of a belief out there that I could start a coven based on these ideas and then get laid a lot. We'd even welcome socialists, communists, catholics, and fundies, so long as they like orgies. You don't have anything against orgies, do you, Billy?
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 05:07:21 [Permalink]
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the wiccans, new agers etc hold beliefs that are every bit as silly and rediculous as prot or muslim fundamentalism. the primary appeal of the wiccan religion is the opportunity to participate in frequent orgies with people who couldent get laid at society for creative anacronism functions. lots of nudity lots of sex-fun religion but otherwise irrational.
I'm not going to address your view of wicca - there are others who are better equipped. However, Wiccans are a group that is also persecuted by the religious right. The Army allows Wiccans to practice their religion as a first amendment right. There are those who would declare their religion as not being a religion and ban them from practicing Wicca. Telling someone that they can not practice their religion - whether atheist or theist - is not what the first amendment is about. I don't much care whether their religion seems irrational to you or I, but they must be allowed the freedom to practice their religion as seen fit. One other thing in their defense - I've never had a Wiccan pound on my door at 0800 and tell me that I was evil for not believing in the goddess or that I would burn in an eternity of hellfire.
It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain |
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 08:12:26 [Permalink]
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the primary appeal of the wiccan religion is the opportunity to participate in frequent orgies with people who couldent get laid at society for creative anacronism functions. lots of nudity lots of sex-fun religion but otherwise irrational.
comrade billyboy
I think there is at least one Wiccan here who would disagree. My exposure to them also leads me to disagree. On the other hand, I sure hope you're right.
Valiant? Can you get me in on any of this stuff? Even though it's not true, maybe there's enough of a belief out there that I could start a coven based on these ideas and then get laid a lot. We'd even welcome socialists, communists, catholics, and fundies, so long as they like orgies. You don't have anything against orgies, do you, Billy?
My kids still love me.
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Sure, Garrett. Well get some teens who are witch wanna-bes and have a big ol time. [/sarcasm]
Seriously though, There are two kinds of Wiccan belief of ceremonial dress. Robed and Skyclad. Robes, which are the groups I am most comfortable with, use robes during ceremony. Skyclad is nude. Lots of sex? Not in any groups I was in for any length of time. Sex-magick is against what Wicca advocates. Orgies during ceremony, not in a real Wiccan temple. Don't know where Comradebillyboy gets his info, but its completely wrong. He must have been listening to the Christian fundies talk about Wicca.
Billy, you've gotta quit believing those Moral Minority, I mean Majority, press releases.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 12:15:26 [Permalink]
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My Wiccan friend only talked about the Skyclad stuff, no sex or anything ( ).
However!
I took a yoga class as a PE at UAH, and it was held at the local Unitarian church. On the bulletin board there, there were an awful lot of people who were self-described pagan/wiccan groups that advertised gatherings that included hot tubs and "adult games". I think it's fair to infer that sex would be involved from the fliers.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 12:27:31 [Permalink]
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the wiccans, new agers etc hold beliefs that are every bit as silly and rediculous as prot or muslim fundamentalism. the primary appeal of the wiccan religion is the opportunity to participate in frequent orgies with people who couldent get laid at society for creative anacronism functions. lots of nudity lots of sex-fun religion but otherwise irrational.
I'm not going to address your view of wicca - there are others who are better equipped. However, Wiccans are a group that is also persecuted by the religious right. The Army allows Wiccans to practice their religion as a first amendment right. There are those who would declare their religion as not being a religion and ban them from practicing Wicca.
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Ooooh! Oooooh! I know this one. I'll say who is Representative Bob Barr (R - SC) for $100, Trish.
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 12:31:25 [Permalink]
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My Wiccan friend only talked about the Skyclad stuff, no sex or anything ().
However!
I took a yoga class as a PE at UAH, and it was held at the local Unitarian church. On the bulletin board there, there were an awful lot of people who were self-described pagan/wiccan groups that advertised gatherings that included hot tubs and "adult games". I think it's fair to infer that sex would be involved from the fliers.
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Sum Ergo Cogito
The Unitarians, being a very open church, tends to collect their share of kooks and swinging societies masquerading as Wicca/paganism. I'll hazzard a guess that the groups you saw advertized were not members of COG.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 12/21/2001 : 12:46:53 [Permalink]
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Only INDIVIDUALS care about individual freedoms. Everybody else looks for ways to silence everybody else who disagrees with him/her/it. (I used *it* for the brainless ones who want to silence INDIVIDUALS.
Therefore, I selected Atheists, Agnostics, Free Thinkers, and Humanitarians (just so long as they are individuals and not just members of cults created by anti-individuals.
I have to wonder about this. I am not so sure that, given the opportunity, these groups could themselves be quite oppressive and outlaw religious groups. I have heard too many atheists/freethinkers etc. remark on how they would like to see religion done away with. There have been comments to this effect on SFN if anyone cares to search for them.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 12/22/2001 : 02:19:09 [Permalink]
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I have to wonder about this. I am not so sure that, given the opportunity, these groups could themselves be quite oppressive and outlaw religious groups. I have heard too many atheists/freethinkers etc. remark on how they would like to see religion done away with. There have been comments to this effect on SFN if anyone cares to search for them.
Which is why we should support first amendment rights and not allow others to walk all over them - no matter who they are or what silliness they believe.
It is by the goodness of God that in our country we have those three unspeakably precious things: freedom of speech, freedom of conscience, and the prudence never to practice either of them. -Mark Twain |
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
842 Posts |
Posted - 12/22/2001 : 09:12:54 [Permalink]
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Valiant? Can you get me in on any of this stuff? Even though it's not true, maybe there's enough of a belief out there that I could start a coven based on these ideas and then get laid a lot. We'd even welcome socialists, communists, catholics, and fundies, so long as they like orgies. You don't have anything against orgies, do you, Billy?
On the other hand, group sexual relations could be very dangerous for every participating member. Perhaps a main reason why religions have rules against sexual romps outside of a monogamist relationship is that sexual relationships are so very dangerous when they are promiscuous. Everybody in such free-sex groups could come down with the same awful diseases if only one of the members were afflicted with any of the venereal diseases. Therefore, community sex is perfectly stupid and would dispose of the poor souls who engage in such dangerous behavior.
Although I am not a believer in any supernatural ideas, religions sometimes have their good points, and the rules against sexual practices which can easily lead to serious (and lethal) diseases would be some of those good points.
ljbrs (a/k/a Killjoy) [B] 
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Slater
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 12/28/2001 : 15:55:03 [Permalink]
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In your experience, who is it that holds individual freedoms and liberties in higher esteem:
As of this moment two people have voted for "Fundamentalist Christians". I for one would be interested in hearing the rational behind these votes.
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hatten_jc
New Member
Sweden
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Posted - 12/31/2001 : 04:45:01 [Permalink]
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In your experience, who is it that holds individual freedoms and liberties in higher esteem:
As of this moment two people have voted for "Fundamentalist Christians". I for one would be interested in hearing the rational behind these votes.
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well never haid the word active stupidty been more accurat.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 12/31/2001 : 05:34:00 [Permalink]
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I'd like to see religion eliminated. Not by force, but by education, if such a thing were possible. I think it would be nice if persistent drug abuse (not necessarily use, but abuse)would be eliminated, but it's ridiculous to make it illegal.
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Only INDIVIDUALS care about individual freedoms. Everybody else looks for ways to silence everybody else who disagrees with him/her/it. (I used *it* for the brainless ones who want to silence INDIVIDUALS.
Therefore, I selected Atheists, Agnostics, Free Thinkers, and Humanitarians (just so long as they are individuals and not just members of cults created by anti-individuals.
I have to wonder about this. I am not so sure that, given the opportunity, these groups could themselves be quite oppressive and outlaw religious groups. I have heard too many atheists/freethinkers etc. remark on how they would like to see religion done away with. There have been comments to this effect on SFN if anyone cares to search for them.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
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gezzam
SFN Regular
Australia
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Posted - 01/12/2002 : 18:18:02 [Permalink]
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I'd like to see religion eliminated. Not by force, but by education, if such a thing were possible. I think it would be nice if persistent drug abuse (not necessarily use, but abuse)would be eliminated, but it's ridiculous to make it illegal.
Wouldn't we all, but there are too many in power (for a prime example, look at your president) who will never let that happen. They seem to want common sense and real science to be eliminated by airy fairy education.
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Donnie B.
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 01/12/2002 : 19:28:54 [Permalink]
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Hmmm... well, if history is any guide, the only thing that's going to eliminate a religion is a newer religion. So maybe in a couple thousand years, the Moonies or Scientologists then in power will chuckle, thinking about the quaint Jesus cult (much as Christians do about the Greek pantheon).
-- Donnie B.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 01/12/2002 : 20:52:53 [Permalink]
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Hmmm... well, if history is any guide, the only thing that's going to eliminate a religion is a newer religion. So maybe in a couple thousand years, the Moonies or Scientologists then in power will chuckle, thinking about the quaint Jesus cult (much as Christians do about the Greek pantheon).
Hmm, but with the concept of religious freedom and acceptance of religions other than the one in which you were born wouldn't that almost remove the possibility of most religions dying out. Wouldn't we see a break down to individual cults instead? Where xianity would be one cult of millions. There are how many xian cults now? Each with it's own interpretation of the 'holy book'.
There is no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. It underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've known. Sagan |
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