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pleco
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Posted - 07/18/2006 :  19:42:37  Show Profile  Visit pleco's Homepage Send pleco a Private Message
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Rove waded into deeply contentious scientific territory, telling the Denver Post's editorial board that researchers have found "far more promise from adult stem cells than from embryonic stem cells."

But Rove's negative appraisal of embryonic stem cell research - echoed by many opponents of funding for embryonic stem cells - is inaccurate, according to most stem cell scientists, including a dozen contacted for this story.

...

"(Rove's) statement is just not true," said Dr. Michael Clarke, associate director of the stem cell institute at Stanford University, who in 2003 published the first study showing how adult stem cells replenish themselves.

If opponents of embryonic research object on moral grounds, "I'm willing to live with that," Clarke said, though he disagrees. But, he said, "I'm not willing to live with statements that are misleading."


But are we really surprised that this administration and others who oppose this distort and otherwise lie about the facts? Just like they do with the global warming data? Or with evolution data?

When will the "moral minority" that control this country be exposed for the liars they are? When (if) will the people wake up?

Before it is too late, I'm afriad....


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HalfMooner
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Posted - 07/18/2006 :  20:04:07   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send HalfMooner a Private Message
I'm not sure exactly when it will happen, but what I see in place already are the conditions for a political "punctuated equilibrium." After years of accelerating scandal, egregious violations of citizens' privacy, torture of detainees, incompetence and an attempt to impose the religious views of a fanatical minority upon science and society, we must be nearing a point of supersaturation, when the people of this country will crystallize their opinions, and simply will abide Bush no more. I suspect a few months will make all the difference. After years of silence from the majority, the rejection I expect will be as sudden and as violent as projectile vomiting.


Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 07/18/2006 :  20:08:37   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send H. Humbert a Private Message
I find it promising that the reporter(s) for this story contacted more than a dozen real cell scientists when fact checking this piece, rather than simply parroting Rove's words without comment.


"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes

"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman

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Orwellingly Yurz
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Posted - 07/18/2006 :  20:21:44   [Permalink]  Show Profile Send Orwellingly Yurz a Private Message
Yo:

I hope HalfMooner is right about Bush's immediate future. It seems to me we'll all be, finally, considerably safer with such oversaturation. Sending him back to Crawford before his term's up has a really good ring to it, I think.

A step further on this thought: I'm hoping the Bushits aren't collected enough (they don't seem to be) to be anticipating such a probability.

I don't like saying this, but I think these people who've been SO SO guilty of poor stewardship of this country wouldn't stop at a very nasty, much wider conflagration of violence in order to get everyone even more frightened, in mental chaos and totally wedged.

It would be very Hitlerian of them! Or maybe I'm just being too Orwellian.

OY!


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