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furshur
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And as Helen Keller said, the most beautiful things in life are not seen.
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Posted - 12/11/2006 : 10:44:21 [Permalink]
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But if God or demon or natural processes are equally acceptable (as you agreed) for causing the universe and life, than it is more logical to believe an eternal "living" being is the originator of the universe because that universe contains life. And surely there is a much greater probability that an eternal "living" intelligent being created additional life than for a "non-living" non-intelligent natural process to produce life.
In other words it is more logical for life to come from life than for life to come from non-life. Therefore the belief in a Living Creator is more logical than the belief in non-living natural processes as the originator of the universe and ultimately life.
You're wrong again, GK Paul. But that's nothing new.
Since humans first began to consider the causes of anything there have been thousands of phenomena which were initially credited to the supernatural. A very short list would include all kinds of weather phenomena like lightning, droughts, floods, snow, wind, etc., biological phenomena such as birth, death, seed germination, and animal hibernation, astronomical events like sunrise, planetary movements, auroras, and eclipses, the existence of astronomical objects like the Sun, Moon, planets, stars, etc., geological events like earthquakes and volcanoes, and multitudes of other phenomena such as changing seasons, static electricity, fire, etc.
Through the constant pursuit of science, using the scientific method, thousands of those phenomena have been discovered to occur due to purely natural causes. Thousands, maybe millions. And every time another mystery is discovered to occur by purely natural and scientific means, another god-did-it explanation gets tossed out the window. So far, given thousands of events, occurrences, and phenomena which were previously ascribed to being caused by supernatural powers, not one single time has science ever determined that they were actually caused by any sort of supernatural being. Never.
So the logic is this: The ratio of things which were once attributed to supernatural causes and have since been explained naturally and scientifically, compared to the things which have been demonstrated to actually have been caused by the intervention of gods, is thousands, perhaps millions, to zero. Given the historical record, the possibility that we will eventually find a supernatural explanation for any still unexplained phenomenon is so minute as to not even merit consideration. Your "logic" fails miserably, GK Paul. You are irrational.
Oh, and as HalfMooner pointed out, you've lied again. When are you going to apologize to everyone here for your constant lying? When are you going to apologize for continuing to act like a contemptuous mouthy little jerk? When are you going to apologize for your flagrant display of disrespect for all of us who take time to participate in these conversations and who make an effort to explain to you how you are wrong about nearly everything you say? You owe us your apologies and you owe us your thanks.
Also, you continue to refuse to explain how you justify all that lying to support the existence of your bogeyman, even though it is against the rules of your superstition to lie. Do you really think your ignorance is getting past anyone? Don't you realize that every time you're asked to explain how you rationalize your lying, and refuse to do so, you add more solid evidence to the notion that you're simply a dishonest coward? If your bogeyman is real, GK Paul, you're going to Hell! 
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Neurosis
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Posted - 12/11/2006 : 14:12:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GK Paul
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Originally posted by furshur
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There have been human cultures that have worshipped a Sun God. And there have been those (including myself who have experienced the pain of a sunburn). To me, the amount of energy needed to create 10 billion trillion of those suns (stars) would indeed be incredible.(Maybe not to you, but you have the right to your opinion)...
The size, the amount of energy/matter and the age of the universe is almost unimaginable. When I look up at the stars I am always in awe.
I see stars, nebula and galaxies but no matter how hard I look I never see any gods or a need for any...
And you never will see God (the father). According to mainline Christianity God (the father) is Spirit. Genesis 1 vs.2
Christ said the Kindom of God does not come thru observation, but is within you.
And as Helen Keller said, the most beautiful things in life are not seen.
This is a lie.
Genesis 12:7
And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.
Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him....
Genesis 18:1
And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre.
Genesis 26:2
And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of.
Genesis 26:24
And the LORD appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy father: fear not.
Genesis 32:30
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Genesis 35:9
And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him.
Genesis 48:3
And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan.
Exodus 3:16
The LORD God ... appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you.
Exodus 4:5
That they may believe that the LORD God ... hath appeared unto thee.
Exodus 6:3
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob....
Exodus 24:9-11
Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel ... They saw God, and did eat and drink.
Exodus 33:11
And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend.
Exodus 33:23
And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts.
Numbers 14:14
For they have heard that thou Lord art among this people, that thou Lord art seen face to face.
Deuteronomy 5:4
The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire.
Deuteronomy 34:10
And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face.
Judges 13:22
And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
1 Kings 22:19
I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
Job 42:5
I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
Psalm 63.2
To see thy power and they glory, so as I have seen thee in the sanctuary.
Isaiah 6:1
In the year that King Ussiah died, I saw, also, the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up.
Isaiah 6:5
For mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
Ezekiel 1:27
And saw ... the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward....
Ezekiel 20:35
And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
Amos 7:7
The LORD stood upon a wall made by a plumbline, with a plumbline in his hand.
Amos 9:1
I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake.
Habakkuk 3:3-5
God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran .... He had horns coming out of his hand.
Matthew 18:9
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Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
- Homer Simpson
[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
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Neurosis
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Posted - 12/11/2006 : 14:16:05 [Permalink]
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Well I'm glad you admitted that a god or demon or a natural process are "equally good conjectures" even though you lean to natural processes (for some reason). But to be honest with you, I never did finish my line of thinking in my previous post because I was tired and it was a rather deep subject to go further when tired.
But if God or demon or natural processes are equally acceptable (as you agreed) for causing the universe and life, than it is more logical to believe an eternal "living" being is the originator of the universe because that universe contains life. And surely there is a much greater probability that an eternal "living" intelligent being created additional life than for a "non-living" non-intelligent natural process to produce life.
In other words it is more logical for life to come from life than for life to come from non-life. Therefore the belief in a Living Creator is more logical than the belief in non-living natural processes as the originator of the universe and ultimately life.
No. What he said was they were both equally scientifically provable. Not that they were equally probable. Bigfoot and unicorns and martians are all equally scienifically proovable, does that mean that you can believe in unicorns because bigfoot is not any more plausible?
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Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
- Homer Simpson
[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
- Prof. Frink
Lisa: Yes, but wouldn't you rather know the truth than to delude yourself for happiness?
Marge: Well... um.... [goes outside to jump on tampoline with Homer.] |
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Neurosis
SFN Regular
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Posted - 12/11/2006 : 14:17:46 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GK Paul
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Originally posted by Neurosis
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Originally posted by GK Paul
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I have to disagree. It makes more sense to me for a living intelligent God to have always existed than for "the incredible energy needed to create 10 billion trillion stars (and eventially all life)" to have always existed. That "energy and matter" is a something. It doesn't make sense to me for a non-intelligent "something" to just have always existed.
There are only 2 possibilities. An eternal Intelligence created non-living things or eternal non-living things created intelligence. The former makes much more sense to me.
This is a bit bothersome. Who says, definitively, that the energy was "incredible?" On a cosmic scale, it might not have amounted to all that much and only seems vast from our minuscule perspective.
And why only two possibilities? On that same cosmic scale, we, neither scientists nor theologians, nor laymen who are interested and study the subject, know next to nothing about the formation of the universe. Could be that there's a whole different set of laws of physics at work out there. Could be that Something Else did it.
And who says that a creation, for lack of a better word, event only happened just this once? Could be that we are laughin' and scratchin' around Universe Number Umteenth-Quadrillion.
And therein lies the rub, as The Bard once blithered. As a general rule, we think way too small. This is especially true of religious creationists of all flavors. They must have it all neatly packaged and presented in a form that is easy to grasp. "God done it!" answers all, and any mystery, beyond that of whatever invisible and incomprehensible deity presented, is neatly discounted as not worth consideration. It is one of the more blatant forms of intellectual dishonesty, I think.
I mean, how difficult is it to say: "I don't know!"
There have been human cultures that have worshipped a Sun God. And there have been those (including myself who have experienced the pain of a sunburn). To me, the amount of energy needed to create 10 billion trillion of those suns (stars) would indeed be incredible.(Maybe not to you, but you have the right to your opinion)...
That is not the point GK. No matter now incredible the amount of energy, it is still more incredible for a god to exist that by definition must be more complex and more incredible. I mean you really believe that an all knowing all powerful being is a simple solution? Come on man get serious.
Your thinking in terms of time when you use the concept of less complex and more complex. You imply that something eternal must start out simple and work its way up to complex. But the concept of simple and complex have no relevance when your dealing with something that had no beginning. An Extremely complex being is just as feasible as an extremely simple thing if neither has a beginning.
That is the most sensless statement ever made. Popsickle sticks are simpler than my computer. Time has no bearing on that fact. |
Facts! Pssh, you can prove anything even remotely true with facts.
- Homer Simpson
[God] is an infinite nothing from nowhere with less power over our universe than the secretary of agriculture.
- Prof. Frink
Lisa: Yes, but wouldn't you rather know the truth than to delude yourself for happiness?
Marge: Well... um.... [goes outside to jump on tampoline with Homer.] |
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GK Paul
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 12/17/2006 : 13:13:00 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by furshur
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And as Helen Keller said, the most beautiful things in life are not seen.
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Because she had vision for 19 months. |
"Something cannot come from nothing" -- Ken Tanaka - geologist
"The existence of a Being endowed with intelligence and wisdom is a necessary inference from a study of celestial mechanics" --Sir Isaac Newton
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GK Paul
Skeptic Friend
USA
306 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2006 : 13:29:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Neurosis
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Originally posted by GK Paul
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Originally posted by Neurosis
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Originally posted by GK Paul
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Originally posted by filthy
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I have to disagree. It makes more sense to me for a living intelligent God to have always existed than for "the incredible energy needed to create 10 billion trillion stars (and eventially all life)" to have always existed. That "energy and matter" is a something. It doesn't make sense to me for a non-intelligent "something" to just have always existed.
There are only 2 possibilities. An eternal Intelligence created non-living things or eternal non-living things created intelligence. The former makes much more sense to me.
This is a bit bothersome. Who says, definitively, that the energy was "incredible?" On a cosmic scale, it might not have amounted to all that much and only seems vast from our minuscule perspective.
And why only two possibilities? On that same cosmic scale, we, neither scientists nor theologians, nor laymen who are interested and study the subject, know next to nothing about the formation of the universe. Could be that there's a whole different set of laws of physics at work out there. Could be that Something Else did it.
And who says that a creation, for lack of a better word, event only happened just this once? Could be that we are laughin' and scratchin' around Universe Number Umteenth-Quadrillion.
And therein lies the rub, as The Bard once blithered. As a general rule, we think way too small. This is especially true of religious creationists of all flavors. They must have it all neatly packaged and presented in a form that is easy to grasp. "God done it!" answers all, and any mystery, beyond that of whatever invisible and incomprehensible deity presented, is neatly discounted as not worth consideration. It is one of the more blatant forms of intellectual dishonesty, I think.
I mean, how difficult is it to say: "I don't know!"
There have been human cultures that have worshipped a Sun God. And there have been those (including myself who have experienced the pain of a sunburn). To me, the amount of energy needed to create 10 billion trillion of those suns (stars) would indeed be incredible.(Maybe not to you, but you have the right to your opinion)...
That is not the point GK. No matter now incredible the amount of energy, it is still more incredible for a god to exist that by definition must be more complex and more incredible. I mean you really believe that an all knowing all powerful being is a simple solution? Come on man get serious.
Your thinking in terms of time when you use the concept of less complex and more complex. You imply that something eternal must start out simple and work its way up to complex. But the concept of simple and complex have no relevance when your dealing with something that had no beginning. An Extremely complex being is just as feasible as an extremely simple thing if neither has a beginning.
That is the most sensless statement ever made. Popsickle sticks are simpler than my computer. Time has no bearing on that fact.
Both popsicle sticks and computers are totally dependent on time because there was a "time" when neither existed. But an eternal God or eternal non-living things are not dependent on time because they had no beginning and therefore time is irrelevant in regards to their existence. |
"Something cannot come from nothing" -- Ken Tanaka - geologist
"The existence of a Being endowed with intelligence and wisdom is a necessary inference from a study of celestial mechanics" --Sir Isaac Newton
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GK Paul
Skeptic Friend
USA
306 Posts |
Posted - 12/17/2006 : 14:54:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Neurosis
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Originally posted by GK Paul
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Originally posted by furshur
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There have been human cultures that have worshipped a Sun God. And there have been those (including myself who have experienced the pain of a sunburn). To me, the amount of energy needed to create 10 billion trillion of those suns (stars) would indeed be incredible.(Maybe not to you, but you have the right to your opinion)...
The size, the amount of energy/matter and the age of the universe is almost unimaginable. When I look up at the stars I am always in awe.
I see stars, nebula and galaxies but no matter how hard I look I never see any gods or a need for any...
And you never will see God (the father). According to mainline Christianity God (the father) is Spirit. Genesis 1 vs.2
Christ said the Kindom of God does not come thru observation, but is within you.
And as Helen Keller said, the most beautiful things in life are not seen.
This is a lie.
Genesis 12:7
And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.
Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him....
Genesis 18:1
And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre.
Genesis 26:2
And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of.
Genesis 26:24
And the LORD appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God of Abraham thy father: fear not.
Genesis 32:30
And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.
Genesis 35:9
And God appeared unto Jacob again, when he came out of Padanaram, and blessed him.
Genesis 48:3
And Jacob said unto Joseph, God Almighty appeared unto me at Luz in the land of Canaan.
Exodus 3:16
The LORD God ... appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you.
Exodus 4:5
That they may believe that the LORD God ... hath appeared unto thee.
Exodus 6:3
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob....
Exodus 24:9-11
Then went up Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. And they saw the God of Israel ... They saw God, and did eat and drink.
Exodus 33:11
And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend.
Exodus 33:23
And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts.
Numbers 14:14
For they have heard that thou Lord art among this people, that thou Lord art seen face to face.
Deuteronomy 5:4
The Lord talked with you face to face in the mount out of the midst of the fire.
Deuteronomy 34:10
And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face.
Judges 13:22
And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
1 Kings 22:19
I saw the Lord sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
Job 42:5
I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
Psalm 63.2
To see thy power and they glory, so as I have seen thee in the sanctuary.
Isaiah 6:1
In the year that King Ussiah died, I saw, also, the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up.
Isaiah 6:5
For mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts.
Ezekiel 1:27
And saw ... the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward....
Ezekiel 20:35
And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
Amos 7:7
The LORD stood upon a wall made by a plumbline, with a plumbline in his hand.
Amos 9:1
I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake.
Habakkuk 3:3-5
God came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran .... He had horns coming out of his hand.
Matthew 18:9
Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
As I said before, Mainline Christianity believes God is spirit. The writers of the Old Testament said God "spoke" around 3000 times. Does that mean God has vocal cords. I truely believe that the many writers in the Bible did actually sense audible words; and that any experience they had, whether it was audible or visual, did come from God. I do not believe God (the father) exists in human form (like Joseph Smith the founder of the Morman religion did) but once again it could be possible to have a visual or audible experience that comes from God. So when I said you never will see God (the Father) I meant you will not see the totality of God. You might see or hear a manifestation of Him. I don't believe the many writers in the bible were lying. They definitely had a perceptional experience that came from God. |
"Something cannot come from nothing" -- Ken Tanaka - geologist
"The existence of a Being endowed with intelligence and wisdom is a necessary inference from a study of celestial mechanics" --Sir Isaac Newton
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GeeMack
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Posted - 12/17/2006 : 15:28:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GK Paul...
As I said before, Mainline Christianity believes God is spirit. The writers of the Old Testament said God "spoke" around 3000 times. Does that mean God has vocal cords. I truely believe that the many writers in the Bible did actually sense audible words; and that any experience they had, whether it was audible or visual, did come from God. I do not believe God (the father) exists in human form (like Joseph Smith the founder of the Morman religion did) but once again it could be possible to have a visual or audible experience that comes from God. So when I said you never will see God (the Father) I meant you will not see the totality of God. You might see or hear a manifestation of Him.
Can you give us any reason why we should consider anything you say, GK Paul, anything at all? After all you're a proven liar. You're a smart mouthed, insolent child. You're a coward. You've shown time and again that you don't know what you're talking about. You continue to make completely unsubstantiated claims. And you still owe us all an apology for treating us with such disdain and disrespect. How about it, little guy? If what you believe is true, you're going to Hell anyway, so why should anyone give any credence to anymore of your bullshit?
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I don't believe the many writers in the bible were lying. They definitely had a perceptional experience that came from God.
Okay, GK Paul, you've made the claim and even emphasized it with the term "definitely". Maybe just for the fun of watching you make yourself look like even more of an idiot than you already have (if such a level of idiocy is even possible), go ahead and prove it.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 12/17/2006 : 16:22:15 [Permalink]
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I don't believe the many writers in the bible were lying. They definitely had a perceptional experience that came from God.
I find myself again reminded that the lands that gave us the Bible and ultimatly Christianity, also gave us Hashish and opium....
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
Sweden
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Posted - 12/17/2006 : 16:29:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GK Paul
In other words it is more logical for life to come from life than for life to come from non-life.
It's not about more logical or less logical. It's a question of when.
We have already discussed that chemical processes can result in highly complex chemical compounds, and that very simple and abundant chemicals can form one of the common building blocks of DNA.
I'll grant you that if you have one instance of life, then the statistical probability that it came from another life is higher than from non-life. But that does not mean that life from non-life is less logical. Life from non-life is mathematical. There is ongoing research on how that works.
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Therefore the belief in a Living Creator is more logical than the belief in non-living natural processes as the originator of the universe and ultimately life.
No, because your Living Creator had to be created. Somehow, somewhere, someone created Eternity and the God who is associated with it. Hence, your logic is flawed and mine is not.
I see that you have misrepresented what Filthy has said. Though some people have been harsh on you, I none the less feel obligated to point out that your argument seems less than honest. That worries me, I thought you expected people to play nice with you, but then you go and do something like this. It puts a black spot in your already tarnished record.
If I didn't knew better I'd suspect you are intentionally trying to strike yourself out.
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Dave W.
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Ghost_Skeptic
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Posted - 12/18/2006 : 00:26:54 [Permalink]
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As an agnostic, I am open to the possibility that a "God" set off the big bang. Or it just happened.
However, what I see as completely absurd is the suggestion that a being capable of creating something as huge and magnificent as our Universe (which may be but one of many)could have any resemblence to the petty, malicous tyrant of the Old Testament (in particular).
G K Paul - your logic is this.
Something (a God) must have created the universe
Therefore your religion (Christianity) is true (and other religions ie Wicca, Budhism, etc. is false).
Even if the first premise is true, the second does not follow, not by a long chalk.
BTW do you still believe that the creation myth of a bunch of ignorant nomadic herdsmen from the middle east is a better explantation for the variety of life on earth than is the theory of evolution given that the fomrer is avery poor fit to the data, while the latter is an excellent fit? |
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moakley
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Posted - 12/18/2006 : 05:49:17 [Permalink]
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... I don't believe the many writers in the bible were lying. They definitely had a perceptional experience that came from God.
If this is your criteria for knowing that the bible is the devinely inspired word of god, then you must also believe that Quran, Holy Book of Mormon, and many other such books are also devinely inspired. Otherwise, you would not have a consistent approach to determining the validity of such works, since your only evidence is that the book claims to be devinely inspired.
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perrodetokio
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 12/18/2006 : 07:13:25 [Permalink]
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Excuse me, maybe I don't have the right to state this since I joined SFN not too long ago and I rarely post anything... however, do you realise that this post consists of 11 pages of the same thing over and over again?
It gives the impression that it's taking your time and efforts and always come back to (almost) the same thing.
I mean, if someone is deaf to logic and reason, perhaps the person is also deaf to insults and sarcasm.
(I promise nextime I post something it shall be of more interest than these worthless thoughts of mine).
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"Yes I have a belief in a creator/God but do not know that he exists." Bill Scott
"They are still mosquitoes! They did not turn into whales or lizards or anything else. They are still mosquitoes!..." Bill Scott
"We should have millions of missing links or transition fossils showing a fish turning into a philosopher..." Bill Scott |
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