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dimossi
Skeptic Friend
USA
141 Posts |
 Posted - 01/24/2002 : 17:47:55
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Ugh...this is so annoying:
"God was able to keep his finger on it and keep them safe -- and we rejoice," he said. "I think He answered our prayers."
He was able to do that but couldn't stop the terrorists from ramming planes into the WTC? He let's millions of children around
the world die a slow painful death due to starvation and disease, yet according to this "Christian" he protects this small group of
children from this mentally unstable driver. What happened to the free will of the driver if their prayers were indeed answered?
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." [Carl Sagan]
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Donnie B.
Skeptic Friend
417 Posts |
 Posted - 01/24/2002 : 18:50:09 [Permalink]
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Gee, I guess none of those parents thought to pray for their child's safety *before* the trip, when god might have prevented the whole episode... or maybe those prayers were from *bad* parents and so weren't answered.
Or God was taken by surprise and it wasn't until the bus went missing that he heard the prayers and... oh, brother.
Hmmm, I wonder... when did the parents hear about the missing bus and start praying? Was it before or after the driver had ditched it and run off? 
-- Donnie B.
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
1370 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2002 : 19:30:58 [Permalink]
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And if the driver had put his shotgun to use and wiped them all out, why, that would have been part of god's plan, and all those lovely little children would be with jeeeeezus right now PRAISE GAWD ALMIGHTY HALLELUJAH!!!
Idiots.
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James
SFN Regular
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2002 : 19:55:21 [Permalink]
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And if the driver had put his shotgun to use and wiped them all out, why, that would have been part of god's plan, and all those lovely little children would be with jeeeeezus right now PRAISE GAWD ALMIGHTY HALLELUJAH!!!
Thank you, Rat. You put it better than I could right now.
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Idiots.
I've got a better one: Assholes
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." -Buddha |
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Xev
Skeptic Friend
USA
329 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2002 : 21:02:40 [Permalink]
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Idiots
I've got a better one: Assholes
People please! I believe that the correct term is: f**kwits.
"If anyone can show me, and prove to me, that I am wrong in
thought or deed, I will gladly change. I seek the truth, which
never yet hurt anybody."- Marcus Aurelius |
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James
SFN Regular
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 01/24/2002 : 21:32:34 [Permalink]
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Idiots
I've got a better one: Assholes
People please! I believe that the correct term is: f**kwits.
ROTFLMAO
Ah, thank you, Xev. I needed that.
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." -Buddha |
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dimossi
Skeptic Friend
USA
141 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2002 : 00:14:09 [Permalink]
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Is this worse?
"Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of this astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy." [Carl Sagan]
Edited by - dimossi on 01/25/2002 00:14:52 |
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Mespo_man
Skeptic Friend
USA
312 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2002 : 07:40:00 [Permalink]
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If I were a fireman, I'd rent another sign with the post...
BUT NOT LONG ENOUGH
FOR OUR BROTHER FIREMEN
TO GET OUT...
... YOU JERK!
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James
SFN Regular
USA
754 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2002 : 07:49:31 [Permalink]
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Depends on where it's pointed. At a church, I'll just ignore it. Anywhere else...
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If I were a fireman, I'd rent another sign with the post...
BUT NOT LONG ENOUGH
FOR OUR BROTHER FIREMEN
TO GET OUT...
... YOU JERK!
ROTFLOL
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." -Buddha |
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Randy
SFN Regular
USA
1990 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2002 : 16:20:40 [Permalink]
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http://www.ezl.com/~fireball/Disaster.htm
New London Texas School Explosion
March 18, 1937
New London was an oil well community. The public school there was heated with Natural gas. (At that time natural gas was odorless and colorless.) There was a gas leak from a pipe in the school boiler room. Triggered by a spark in the wood shop the whole school exploded. Over 300 children and their teachers where killed. One news reporter's estimate at the time was 425 children killed. With the loss of so many children, no one took an actual count of how many died from the explosion. Over 300 bodies were recovered, some had been blown to pieces. Those that weren't blown apart were buried in debris.
Everyone in the community rushed to the rescue. Men started digging through the rubble as the women prepared food and aid for the rescue workers. As the digging went on they found what they were looking for, the bodies of their children.
The bodies where taken to the American Legion post where a temporary morgue was set up for identification. Whole families where lost. Everyone in the community had lost someone in the explosion.
As a direct result of this devastating catastrophe the United States Government passed a law that the chemical “Mercaptan” be put into natural gas to give it an identifying smell.
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Hmmm,... at the time I suppose gawd-doe-mity was just too pre-occupied with someone's little kittykat stuck in a tree?
Nah, it was gawd's will!
Randy
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Piltdown
Skeptic Friend
USA
312 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2002 : 17:11:54 [Permalink]
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New London Texas School Explosion
My late wife's father is a survivor of the New London disaster. He was 11 years old at the time. He lost his brother and sister in the explosion, and grew up as an only child.
He is a lifelong agnostic, and insists that quite a few of the survivors are, despite a mountain of religious propaganda connected with the event.
My wife's death at age 40 devastated him, she was his only daughter and the mother of his only grandchild. As terrible as it has been, I think that he and I have have coped better than the religiously minded members of the family. Their faith allegedly comforts them in their grief. I see it bringing only unanswerable questions and unresolvable conflict.
I used to have some friends, Christian fundamentalists, who lost their 10 year old son in a traffic accident. They became convinced that their association with, and tolerance for, "godless" individuals (like me) was a factor in the little guy's death. If this is so, why was I not run over and killed, rather than an innocent child? There is an out, though: we cannot understand the ways of God. This lack of understanding is not complete, however, since it apparently still allows infidels to be blamed. In fact, it seems to allow for a lot of blame and guilt, with the unknowable ways of God only coming into play when the questions get too hard. I haven't spoken to them in a number of years, but I hear that they are still very devout, and are often praised at church services for their steadfastness in the face of tragedy.
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Donnie B.
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 01/25/2002 : 19:36:44 [Permalink]
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New London Texas School Explosion
My late wife's father is a survivor of the New London disaster. He was 11 years old at the time.
Until I read your post, Piltdown, I was going to make a flip comment, along the lines of, "I bet if a survivor had been found in the wreckage, the faithful would have run around crowing about the 'miracle'".
Hearing about your stepfather brought me back to reality. Even a 60-year-old tragedy still has its victims.
A question or two, if I may: was he actually in the school at the time of the explosion? And, did the disaster have any impact on his rejection of religious belief?
-- Donnie B.
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Randy
SFN Regular
USA
1990 Posts |
Posted - 01/25/2002 : 21:14:31 [Permalink]
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My late wife's father is a survivor of the New London disaster.
Something else, Jim, of such a distant and sad story and connections with today. I hope all is well with him.
I've heard, what I felt, were unusual comments from believers about the loss of a loved one. A number of them seem to fall into the "why god did this to me" or "god's will" slot. It's like a chess game where all their rules are in a state of constant flux; sometimes a cloud of self-induced perplexion or misguided blame will follow them for years.
A real shame.
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Piltdown
Skeptic Friend
USA
312 Posts |
Posted - 01/26/2002 : 18:05:52 [Permalink]
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Until I read your post, Piltdown, I was going to make a flip comment, along the lines of, "I bet if a survivor had been found in the wreckage, the faithful would have run around crowing about the 'miracle'".
Hearing about your stepfather brought me back to reality. Even a 60-year-old tragedy still has its victims.
A question or two, if I may: was he actually in the school at the time of the explosion? And, did the disaster have any impact on his rejection of religious belief?
-- Donnie B.
Brian: "No, no! You have to think for yourselves!" Crowd: "Yes! We have to think for ourselves!"
He was outside the building, but within about 20 feet of a door. He was an office helper that day and had gone outside to look for trash. This duty was, in fact, a punishment for a minor infraction he had committed earlier. His teacher was killed, along with 16 of his 23 classmates. Their classroom was fairly far from the center of the explosion, but many were crushed or trapped when the roof collapsed. He had minor burns and some cuts from flying glass, and hearing damage that turned out not to be permanent. The local religionists actually did give noisy thanks for his survival, as they did for the rest of the survivors (and continue to do to this day). This "special status", and the confusion and guilt that resulted, certainly influenced him to question religion.
Until September 11, he always had trouble describing a couple of impressions: the darkness outside immediately after the explosion and the great difficulty of breathing in the gritty atmosphere. The September 11 video from the World Trade Center has made it much easier for people to understand what it must have been like.
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