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Trish
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USA
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 Posted - 02/06/2002 : 12:26:14
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There's a new airport security scanning device out. They want to install them at DIA. These things essentially conduct a strip search of an individual without having them remove their clothes. This is too far. I'd rather be subjected to the possible risk of hijacking than having someone that I don't know, when I've committed no criminal act, watch me walk through a machine that removes my clothes. Right or priviledge, I don't know, however, showing my body to whom I want is one I'd like to retain.
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Lars_H
SFN Regular
Germany
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Posted - 02/06/2002 : 13:07:08 [Permalink]
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How is this supposed to work? Do you have any links about this device? There have been a large number of security for airport security proposed in recent months. Most of them by their manufaturers. Not all of them made sense or worked.
As for not submitting to this sort of check. I am afaraid you don't have much of a choice. If the majority of customers accept such treatment, then it will become mandatory. At the moment is seems most people are would be willing to sell their own grandmother if you told them that it was the right thing to do to stop terrorists.
Ofcourse 'nobody is forced to submit to such treatment, since nobody is forced to use airplanes' is an obvious moronic response that you will get if you voice your complains about that.
Even if they did offer flights for non-searched, would you really want to go on such a plane?
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2002 : 13:53:43 [Permalink]
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I don't think it's up on the web yet. However, one of the local news channels did run a story on this last night complete with an demonstration of the machine.
The general consensus has been at the airport among travelers that this is too far to go for any security measure.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2002 : 14:12:21 [Permalink]
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Hey! I saw that on the back of a comic book. You put on these glasses, and WOW! (0:
I agree, Trish. Don't know what the technology is, but that goes way too far.
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Slater
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2002 : 15:23:42 [Permalink]
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There's a new airport security scanning device out. They want to install them at DIA. These things essentially conduct a strip search of an individual without having them remove their clothes.
Bizz Bizz Skeptic alert!
My combination baloney detector/decoder ring is buzzing again. A machine that lets you see women, er um, I mean people naked....yeah, okay. That sounds more than a little like an urban myth. Are there any specs on this contraption ?
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
2102 Posts |
Posted - 02/06/2002 : 16:05:20 [Permalink]
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There's a new airport security scanning device out. They want to install them at DIA. These things essentially conduct a strip search of an individual without having them remove their clothes.
Bizz Bizz Skeptic alert!
My combination baloney detector/decoder ring is buzzing again. A machine that lets you see women, er um, I mean people naked....yeah, okay. That sounds more than a little like an urban myth. Are there any specs on this contraption ?
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The brain that was stolen from my laboratory was a criminal brain. Only evil will come from it.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume you've never looked at an individual through a FLIR. Until the story comes up on the news stations website, I must operate on the assumption that the technology would be similar to FLIR. FLIR does basically remove the clothing from an individual the problem has always been the strength of the radar required for the distances involved.
I was always a little more cautious walking out onto the flightline after learning that the FLIR didn't show your clothing as it doesn't retain enough heat.
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 02/06/2002 : 17:39:57 [Permalink]
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As for not submitting to this sort of check. I am afaraid you don't have much of a choice. If the majority of customers accept such treatment, then it will become mandatory. At the moment is seems most people are would be willing to sell their own grandmother if you told them that it was the right thing to do to stop terrorists.
Not necessarily. If the government is able to completely de-privatize airport security, then it will become a very prominent Constitutional issue.
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Even if they did offer flights for non-searched, would you really want to go on such a plane?
How is that different from what we're doing now?
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Lars_H
SFN Regular
Germany
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Posted - 02/06/2002 : 18:40:35 [Permalink]
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Even if they did offer flights for non-searched, would you really want to go on such a plane?
How is that different from what we're doing now?
If there were flights for people who submited to such checks and flights for those who don't, then the non-searched flight would have an unusually high number of paranoids, assorted crackpots and a larger chance of an actual terrorist.
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Mespo_man
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 02/07/2002 : 06:39:16 [Permalink]
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If there were flights for people who submited to such checks and flights for those who don't, then the non-searched flight would have an unusually high number of paranoids, assorted crackpots and a larger chance of an actual terrorist.
Or maybe the non-searched are the thousands of private corporate and personal jet passengers who travel the country with impunity from smaller county airports or proceed right out to their jet on the tarmac with not so much as a "by-your-leave".
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Kaneda Kuonji
Skeptic Friend
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 02/07/2002 : 06:53:49 [Permalink]
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This is not right. Some things (like privacy) just need to be respected!
Rodney Dean, CI Order of the Knights of Jubal
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 02/07/2002 : 09:26:58 [Permalink]
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A few years ago there was a video camera produced in Japan with a slight bug in it's optics. It cut right through certain kinds of clothing revealing the tender flesh underneath. I wonder if this works like that at all. The camera was supposedly corrected by the way and was never officially for sale in the US.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 02/07/2002 : 11:44:05 [Permalink]
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A few years ago there was a video camera produced in Japan with a slight bug in it's optics. It cut right through certain kinds of clothing revealing the tender flesh underneath. I wonder if this works like that at all. The camera was supposedly corrected by the way and was never officially for sale in the US.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
Hmm, maybe not the camera, but the technology? Figure out the bug and make it work?
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elohim
New Member
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Posted - 02/07/2002 : 12:08:41 [Permalink]
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I believe that the indecent machine it is known as Secure 1000 from Rapiscan Security Pruducts. You can find more information in the Popular Mechanics web page, and it shows
an image of the person's body using weak X-rays taking only 6 seconds in doing the job.
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elohim
New Member
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Posted - 02/07/2002 : 12:14:43 [Permalink]
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I ment the one that Trish refered to, but of course I might be mistaking it.
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