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Archistrategos
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 Posted - 02/11/2002 : 12:05:02 [Permalink]
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I belive that there can be Hypochondriacs
not only in polluted areas but in every kind of environment. This highly susceptible and suggestible individuals have easy access to certain information that can make them to belive that they actually have a disease (ya know like books and tv).Usually the individual's social class is a factor for the problem's disclosure.
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Trish
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Posted - 02/11/2002 : 12:28:29 [Permalink]
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I've never had allergies and the only chemical sensitivity I have that I'm aware of is to pesticides.
As for the MCS, I know some people can be sensitive to some chemicals and some people can be sensitive to all chemicals, but even the worst of my friends (sensitivity wise) never had general complaints. She just couldn't wear makeup, perfume, use most lotions, or wear earrings unless they were 18K gold. Never seemed to bother her being around perfume unless it was really strong.
So maybe some sensitivity or none and a high complaint factor?
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There is no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our world. It underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've known. Sagan |
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Donnie B.
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Posted - 02/11/2002 : 13:20:40 [Permalink]
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For the record, when I described MCS as a "disease of affluence", I did not intend to imply that there is no such thing as allergies or asthma. Both of these are conditions that can be tested and demonstrated clinically (skin patch tests, lung exams, and so on). But the case of MCS described by Dr. Shari is a classic example of hypochondria - no organic disease, but a psychological condition.
Hope this makes more sense...
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Dr Shari
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 02/11/2002 : 13:52:57 [Permalink]
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There are cases where you can actually hypnotize people and suggest that they are allergic to something and they will actually go into anaphylactic shock. Mind and body are one thing. I like the placebo idea but I have never felt good about being anything but upfront with my patients.
This person is a very nice woman with multiple complaints and I tried to hand her off the a clinic that specializes in this syndrome but even they said she was a very tough case and sent her back to me. No better but more determined she was actually sick and very much poorer. Some days I think we are all quacks.
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Archistrategos
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Posted - 02/11/2002 : 15:42:38 [Permalink]
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I can't belive it, a specialized clinic leaving a patient just like that?
That is terrible.
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Snake
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Posted - 02/11/2002 : 16:32:41 [Permalink]
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I can't belive it, a specialized clinic leaving a patient just like that?
That is terrible.
Believe it! I went to a pain clinic that was similar to that. HMO's are terrible. You have high hopes before you go but when you get there you find out they just want you in and out like an assembly line.
I'm getting better medical care at my school by just walking into the office without an appointment, than telling my medical history to a personal doctor.
My x-sister gave me some advice once. It may or may not be good depending on the interaction of the doctor you are talking to but it's worked well for me more often than not.
It's this:
Doctors don't want to hear many complaints all at once, they start to think you are a hypochondriact. She told me to pick not more then 3 things at one time and don't dwell on them. Some may not agree with that advice but I've made a mental note of various reactions each time I act one way or the other and her advice seems to work. They listen better to one condition at a time. I heard that one should make a list to tell the doctor but they start to tune out if you start reading off a bunch of problems. Sometimes they are only minor things like 'what is this spot I never noticed before' and a quick anwswer is all that is needed but when you ask too much, you loose your credibility as a mentaly stable individual. 
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Archistrategos
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Posted - 02/14/2002 : 15:20:49 [Permalink]
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Talking about bad medicine!
Snake, that makes sense but I still can't feel confy with the idea of doctors making judgments to people they hardly knows.
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Snake
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Posted - 02/15/2002 : 01:01:29 [Permalink]
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Talking about bad medicine!
Snake, that makes sense but I still can't feel confy with the idea of doctors making judgments to people they hardly knows.
Sorry! Maybe it's 'cause I'm not feeling well now....not joking. But I don't understand what you are saying. Please repete. Thank you.
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Dr Shari
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Posted - 02/15/2002 : 03:14:43 [Permalink]
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I have worked very hard at not being a skeptic where my patients are concerned but I am a Skeptic. I think I listen to my patients and try to respond honestly, directly and kindly but I have to admit I have more then a few kooks too. I just try and see them as people and treat them the best I can but it is hard. If the person has good insurance I send them to specialists but treat the others at reduced fees.
I wish medicine was an exact science.
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Snake
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Posted - 02/15/2002 : 14:04:17 [Permalink]
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I have worked very hard at not being a skeptic where my patients are concerned but I am a Skeptic. I think I listen to my patients and try to respond honestly, directly and kindly but I have to admit I have more then a few kooks too. I just try and see them as people and treat them the best I can but it is hard
Doc! What honest person couldn't say that he isn't influenced by what another does or says, it's a value judgement on the individuals part as to what a 'kook' is.
A doctor could be right, that a patient is not as ill as they present but what if the patient IS sick but has a demenor that is a bit different then norm and can't or doesn't know how to explain the problem? Who's side does one look at?
Didn't want to get personal but in my own situation, I SHOW, point to a place where I'm having pain, I say 'it's here, near my liver', not I guess knowing exactly where my liver is supposed to be. So the doctor says, that's not the liver.....Sheesh, OK so that's not the liver but that's where the pain is. They think I'm nuts because I said I'm having LIVER pain and then disreguard whatever else I say. They missed the point.
Gee, it's like a court of law in the doctors office, you LIE once and you have no creditbility.
ps. sorry that should be lie, in quotions 'lie', because I'm being sarcastic.
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Archistrategos
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Posted - 02/16/2002 : 09:01:18 [Permalink]
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Sorry! Maybe it's 'cause I'm not feeling well now... not joking. But I don't understand what you are saying. Please repete.
Thank you.
Snake, sorry for not been explicit, in this site is such an important thing.
When you wrote about one having hopes then been threated like cattle (my interpretation) damn that happened to me once. I went to the doctors office and after a 2 hours waiting line he checked my throat(an small infection I had ) an then after a wile he gave me the prescription.
Suddenly I mentioned one problem, he checked and after one minute or so he told me that I have something irreparable, he told me that was not big deal an I could live whit it. He also mentioned a name that I cant even remember, then he was almost telling me to stand up and get out! No talk no explanation and a confused young lad outside the doctors office. I understand that most of the time doctors must attend a lot of people and there is a hurry and they can not be as nice as I want them to be and they can not be emotionaly attached to the patients. No offence here Dr shari, but some times some doctors just stinks!
The advice that your x-sister gave ya, is a good one. If you start to have too much creativity in your complaints they will get suspicious and then will only listen to some thing they "consider" at the moment the most relevant parts.
I think doctors should not impart judgments on the mental stability of individuals, for some doctors an unstable person may behave in a certain way an other doctors may have a different perspective.
Hey Shari, nice to read from a doctor that actually really cares for the peoples health.
Now can you be a little more specific with the meaning of the resistance to psychological testing and therapy? Please?
Psychiatrists will only give them woopity drugs that may only leave them flying with Marry Popins.
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