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Piltdown
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 03/11/2002 : 15:23:10
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http://www.ntskeptics.org
http://www.ntskeptics.org/2001/2001january/january2001.htm
http://www.ntskeptics.org/2001/2001february/february2001.htm
http://www.duke.edu/~km13/NotCredible.html
[quote]The North Texas Skeptics has received a missive from Randell A. Monaco, Esq., of Monaco Law Office in Newport Beach, California, ordering us to "cease and desist" using the registered trademark "Clustered WaterTM" on our Web site. Monaco Law Office has been retained to represent the interests of Dr. Lee Lorenzen and Cellcore International, Inc., "who have been and are continuing to be damaged by your unauthorized use of the registered trademark, 'Clustered WaterTM.'"
The matter has been referred to an attorney. We will advise readers on any future developments concerning this complaint and the worthless product in question.
John Blanton
Secretary
The North Texas Skeptics[/quote]
Abducting UFOs and conspiring against conspiracy theorists since 1980.
Edited by - Piltdown on 03/11/2002 15:47:36
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
 Posted - 03/11/2002 : 16:12:44 [Permalink]
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I read through everything, and I still don't get it. Okay, they're pissed because NTS thinks their whole theory about clustered water is bogus, right? NTS aren't the only ones who feel this way. Are they going to sue every skeptic organisation? Every skeptic? Every phsyics department at every university? For that matter, everyone who's managed to pass a high school physcis course?
It seems to me they're trying to establish credibility be attacting the doubters, instead of proving the product works.
Lisa
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2002 : 16:36:44 [Permalink]
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I have an excellent resource for this sort of problem(Cease and Desist letters)
http://www.chillingeffects.org/
I wouldn't have backed down on this. Mention the product one at the beginning and thereafter refer to it as the quack substance or something. If CNN ran such an article do you think they would get a letter? I don't think so. Sounds like an idle threat to me. This is not the same as if you were selling a product and using the name trying to fool consumers. I say put the Trademark back but use it once and refer to it as something else so the trademark is not splattered all over the pages.
@tomic
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Mr. Spock
Skeptic Friend
USA
99 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2002 : 17:21:12 [Permalink]
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Sounds like one of Mr. Randi's quagmires, in which he has been vindicated time after time. I agree--if it's bogus to begin with, then you all they can do is threaten. Of course, we all have our threshold of what we will put up with in order to stick with our principles. Is it a battle worth fighting? Would it take up too much precious time that could be devoted to better skeptical endeavors to confront these charlatans? I know that I can't provide an unequivocal answer.
"3 out of 4 people now believe in angels. Whaddaya #*!! stupid?!"
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Xev
Skeptic Friend
USA
329 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2002 : 17:59:06 [Permalink]
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Pssst - Can we say '$cientology'? Oh yes we can.
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2002 : 18:07:33 [Permalink]
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[quote]
Sounds like one of Mr. Randi's quagmires, in which he has been vindicated time after time. [/quote]
So we won't get in trouble, can we say "Gri Uller?"
Still seems very suspect. If you can't prove your claim, silence your detractors. Idiots will confuse this with credibility. Actually, it doesn't matter. Mr. Randi has won those lawsuits. The fact a lawsuit was filed in the first place will lend an air of credibility for some people.
Lisa
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2002 : 18:24:09 [Permalink]
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I find it hard to imagine someone winning a case for lost sales of a worthless product.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law! |
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Lars_H
SFN Regular
Germany
630 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2002 : 10:36:01 [Permalink]
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quote:
I find it hard to imagine someone winning a case for lost sales of a worthless product.
I think the lawyers of the RIAA would disagree here.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 03/12/2002 : 10:38:13 [Permalink]
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I'm not saying it's not possible. It's just sad if they could win.
@tomic
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Piltdown
Skeptic Friend
USA
312 Posts |
Posted - 03/12/2002 : 13:01:18 [Permalink]
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Update from the North Texas Skeptics, http://www.ntskeptics.org
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Clustered Water
From: Stephen Lower
I was very happy to come across your article in the North Texas Skeptic; it's nice to know that I am not the only one who has been railing against this nonsense!
In case you are not aware of it, I have put together an exhaustive critique of clustered water:
http://www.sfu.ca/aquascams/clusterscams.html
CellCore, one of the major purveyors of this nostrum, has filed a lawsuit against me and Simon Fraser University, claiming libel, defamation, and loss of $2 million in revenue because of this Web site. To its great credit, the University is being very supportive and has not asked me to get rid of the Web page. which is what CellCore obviously wants, and they are trying to get me included in the defense provided by their insurer.
None of this is secret, so if you wish to pass this on as an update to your article, feel free to do so.
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Steve Lower - Simon Fraser University - lower@sfu.ca
- 604-299-0946
Water treatment pseudoscience and frauds:
http://www.sfu.ca/aquascams/
ChemCAI Teacher resources Web page:
http://www.sfu.ca/chemcai/
Steve's personal Web page:
http://members.shaw.ca/slower
Editor's note: Clustered Water is a registered trademark of Cellcore International, Inc. We intend to keep Clustered Water prominently in the news until that worthless product is withdrawn from the market.
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