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The Rat
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Canada
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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 Posted - 03/13/2002 : 22:02:10 [Permalink]
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Whew! No mention of the Skeptic militia.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law! |
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Donnie B.
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 03/14/2002 : 09:39:46 [Permalink]
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Or even of Evangelical Skeptics! :D
Nice article, though... it would be nice if more such opinions would get printed in the mass media now and then.
-- Donnie B.
Brian: "No, no! You have to think for yourselves!" Crowd: "Yes! We have to think for ourselves!" |
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2002 : 10:49:30 [Permalink]
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People still can't help themselves, though. Witness:
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Even the atheist is a believer, being unable to conclusively prove his position; even the scientific method becomes a form of belief when it gets into quantum mechanics and string theory.
Even our defenders don't know exactly what they're defending.
An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made in a very narrow field.
-Niels Bohr
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2002 : 10:54:43 [Permalink]
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People still can't help themselves, though. Witness:
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Even the atheist is a believer, being unable to conclusively prove his position; even the scientific method becomes a form of belief when it gets into quantum mechanics and string theory.
Even our defenders don't know exactly what they're defending.
An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made in a very narrow field.
-Niels Bohr
Grr! 
I just can't fathom why this misconception persists, when it should be easily understood to be false!
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
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Posted - 03/14/2002 : 13:24:56 [Permalink]
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Very interesting artical, and pretty much on.
Thanks for the read.
"Don't tell me your doubts; I've got enough doubts of my own. Tell me something you BELIEVE in!"
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PhDreamer
SFN Regular
USA
925 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2002 : 13:43:59 [Permalink]
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quote:
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People still can't help themselves, though. Witness:
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Even the atheist is a believer, being unable to conclusively prove his position; even the scientific method becomes a form of belief when it gets into quantum mechanics and string theory.
Even our defenders don't know exactly what they're defending.
An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made in a very narrow field.
-Niels Bohr
Grr!
I just can't fathom why this misconception persists, when it should be easily understood to be false!
My guess is it's much easier to wrap one's mind around something if one couches it in terms one is familiar with. Hence, those that have had lives full of beliefs simply assume, since the word 'atheism' is so close to 'theism' that it must be a belief system on its own.
An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made in a very narrow field.
-Niels Bohr
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2002 : 13:53:15 [Permalink]
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Was there mention at one point of having a place here to upload files to? I printed the article to Acrobat Distiller, so it's a nice PDF file easily downloaded and/or viewed from a web browser if one has Acrobat Reader installed (Reader is free).
A place to upload these kinds of articles in PDF format would be neato, though I am not familiar with the expense of implementing something like that.
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Lars_H
SFN Regular
Germany
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Posted - 03/14/2002 : 15:05:15 [Permalink]
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Was there mention at one point of having a place here to upload files to? I printed the article to Acrobat Distiller, so it's a nice PDF file easily downloaded and/or viewed from a web browser if one has Acrobat Reader installed (Reader is free).
A place to upload these kinds of articles in PDF format would be neato, though I am not familiar with the expense of implementing something like that.
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I think you should ask the author of the article first before redistebuting it in full.
And why PDF? I did not notice any formating or graphics that would call for that.
Just a playin TXT file would be more apropriate I think. More compatible, too.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 03/14/2002 : 17:45:46 [Permalink]
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I think you should ask the author of the article first before redistebuting it in full.
My understanding is that it is fair use to repost it, as long as it is fully credited. In theory, what's the difference between posting a direct link, and just posting the article itself?
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And why PDF? I did not notice any formating or graphics that would call for that.
It's my speciality at work, and it looks good! 
Plus it is more convenient just to go to a web article, click 'Print' and select the Distiller printer. No cut-and-paste nonsense.
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James
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 03/14/2002 : 21:38:35 [Permalink]
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And why PDF? I did not notice any formating or graphics that would call for that.
It's my speciality at work, and it looks good!
Plus it is more convenient just to go to a web article, click 'Print' and select the Distiller printer. No cut-and-paste nonsense.
Well, if we do end up using a PDF format, at the very least we have to have a link to a PDF program, like Adobe Acrobat, for example.
"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your common sense." -Buddha |
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Lars_H
SFN Regular
Germany
630 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2002 : 03:31:23 [Permalink]
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quote:
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I think you should ask the author of the article first before redistebuting it in full.
My understanding is that it is fair use to repost it, as long as it is fully credited. In theory, what's the difference between posting a direct link, and just posting the article itself?
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I am a bit unsure of that myself, but I think that 'fair use' only goes for parts and not for using the complete thing.
The Idea with linking would suggets that nothing, that appears anywhere on the internet is copyrighted.
Asking the author or copyright hloder for permission can't hurt. Not more then his lawyers could if you don't in any case.
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And why PDF? I did not notice any formating or graphics that would call for that.
It's my speciality at work, and it looks good!
Plus it is more convenient just to go to a web article, click 'Print' and select the Distiller printer. No cut-and-paste nonsense.
If you just print out the webpage into the distiller would you not print everything including the ads and the webpage menu?
Like copying the entire webpage including layout and graphics?
What is wrong with marking the article inquestion and saving it as a text file? it should even be faster.
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
1447 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2002 : 06:43:57 [Permalink]
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If you just print out the webpage into the distiller would you not print everything including the ads and the webpage menu?
Like copying the entire webpage including layout and graphics?
What is wrong with marking the article inquestion and saving it as a text file? it should even be faster.
No, you don't get the menus and ads in most cases, since those are usually in other frames of the page. One only prints the actual frame that contains the text.
The advantage to this (and the disadvantage to a plain text file) is that if there are any pictures or graphs or links in the article, these are retained in the PDF file.
PDF really is the standard in electronic document distribution on the web. It allows bookmarks, links, tables of contents, imbeded fonts and graphics, etc. And no, I don't work for Adobe! I just really like the product!
The benefits far outweigh the one small inconvenience of downloading the Acrobat Reader. When installed, it integrates into the installed browsers, so that you can view the PDF file directly from your browser, just like it was a web page.
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
1370 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2002 : 09:08:55 [Permalink]
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What's all this computer jargon?!
Look, all I wanted to do was post a simple
link, I didn't expect THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
;^)
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
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Posted - 03/15/2002 : 10:05:28 [Permalink]
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OK, I'll bite:quote:
I didn't expect THE SPANISH INQUISITION!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!! 
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Donnie B.
Skeptic Friend
417 Posts |
Posted - 03/15/2002 : 14:47:06 [Permalink]
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Its chief weapon is surprise... surprise and fear!
Er, that's two weapons! Surprise, fear, and a fanatical devotion to the Pope!
-- Donnie B.
Brian: "No, no! You have to think for yourselves!" Crowd: "Yes! We have to think for ourselves!" |
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