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Piltdown
Skeptic Friend
USA
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 Posted - 06/10/2001 : 13:08:09
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The "intelligent" and "thoughtful" mass child-murderer is about 18 hours from his just reward, and I have no doubt that I speak for millions in saying GOOD RIDDANCE. Roast easy, Tim.
The quoted terms have been used by wacko composer Dave Woodard in describing McVeigh. Woodard, it seems, has composed a "prequiem" to comfort McVeigh during his final moments. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/music/newsid_1324000/1324743.stm
Woodard has also praised McVeigh's "droll" sense of humor and compared him to Mark Twain. That's not all, Woodard has even compared McVeigh to Jesus Christ, who was allegedly the same age (33) and, according to Woodard, almost universally despised at the time of his death.http://pitch.com/issues/2001-04-12/interview.html
Woodard has his own page, which provides some fascinating insights, to say the least: http://davidwoodard.com/
Woodard went totally bizarro during an interview this morning on CNN. Unfortunately, I haven't found a transcript but Woodard said that he felt partly responsible for McVeigh's execution. It seems that Woodard had once placed a letter from McVeigh in a "radionic device" and therefore felt that this might have influenced the minds of Attorney General Ashcroft and others in favor of the execution. Woooooooo!
Oddly enough, the prequiem project's only financial backer is Holy Gail scholar Hank Harrison, who is perhaps better known as the father of pop-star Courtney Love.
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2001 : 13:19:15 [Permalink]
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A "radionic" device?
If this guy feels so badly for Timmy, and has exchanged letters with him, I think there's a few other people he needs to talk to. The parents of the children who were killed, the families of the rest of the victims, and the people who survived, but are now crippled for life would be a good start. He could then move on to the rescue workers and hundreds of volunteers who saw more carnage in a day than most of us will see in our lives.
What really pisses me off is that some media keep referring to McVeigh as a decorated "gulf war hero". Bunk! Crap! Ask any of the military or ex-military on this board. If you've been in the region before, during, or after the war, you have medals. I've been to Saudi, and brought back a handful. My husband was in Turkey and Oman several times, and has even more. The fact that he was in the military lends no weight whatsoever as far as the crime he committed.
Okay, rant over. Thank you,
Lisa
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2001 : 13:38:27 [Permalink]
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As for the gulp war, I put my unit on a plane while being told by CMC that no women were going to deploy. Yeah, even out of it I got the National Defense and a MUC and a NAM (?), and I stayed behind...
It pisses me off too. Does that make me a decorated veteran? Not really, I just got the normal medals as everyone else.
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rubysue
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2001 : 14:14:41 [Permalink]
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So long, little Timmy!! May you burn in the worst circle of (mythical) hell, surrounded eternally by pictures of your "collateral damage".
We can be grateful for one thing, folks. McVeigh has apparently refused a spiritual counselor in his final hours. The last thing I want is this bastard to think that God and Jesus have forgiven him and that he will ascend to heaven upon his death (one of the many things that disgusts me about this foul religion is this "last minute saving grace" garbage that allows mass murderers to go to paradise, but condemns the innocent and law-abiding to hell because they didn't know Jesus - sick and perverted, IMHO).
McVeigh deserves to be put down like a rabid dog; there is no humanity in a person who would do what he did. I don't condone the government's use of excessive force at Ruby Ridge and Whacko (excuse me, Waco) but the anti-government types have conveniently forgotten that Randy Weaver and his buddies and family and David Koresh and his little drooling cultists were engaged in serious criminal activities. One should never confuse responsible freedom with complete anarchy.
Sorry for the rant, but I will be quite glad when tomorrow's event is finally done.
rubysue
If your head is wax, don't walk in the sun.
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2001 : 14:29:13 [Permalink]
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So eloquently stated as usual rubysue. I couldn't agree with you more. It's my understanding that McVeigh thinks he was justified in his actions, but then gawd has ordered similar things in book...
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2001 : 14:42:27 [Permalink]
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I've had a tendency lately to waffle on the whole death penalty issue, especially when DNA evidence is freeing people right and left lately.
Not so with Tim. Bye dude. Some people think this will make him a martyr. Maybe for a few years, but beyond that? Nah. I think people will remember Oklahoma City, but eventually he's be known as "Who? Oh, yeah, the guy who got the death penalty for it. Tom Something-or-other?"
Lisa
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Boron10
Religion Moderator
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2001 : 16:55:40 [Permalink]
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Sorry to go so wildly off-topic here, but I gotta know: Trish, what the hell did you get a NAM (Navy-Marine Corps Achievement Medal, for those non-military types) for? And how did they justify making you stay behind?
BTW, what does IMHO mean?
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Zandermann
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2001 : 17:49:25 [Permalink]
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quote:
I've had a tendency lately to waffle on the whole death penalty issue, especially when DNA evidence is freeing people right and left lately.
Not so with Tim. Bye dude.
couldn't agree more, Lisa...I too have some problems with legalized executions, yet I feel that this one is completely justified.
"Collateral damage" indeed.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2001 : 19:18:21 [Permalink]
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I have a problem with government executions and don't think it's OK to make an exception no matter how bad the crime.
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2001 : 22:22:17 [Permalink]
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Bopron 10, IMHO = In my humble opinion.
I'd like to know why Trish had to stay behind too. I didn't go because Comm at Ramstein wasn't tasked. A few went to fill in the gaps, mostly as maintenance techs for another service. I was over there Feb99 to Jun99. Hot, dirty and very very nervous.
Lisa
Need to add this. The reason we're not too terribly impressed with Timmy's medals: Everyone who was active duty military during that war was either there, or knows someone who was. Additionally, in the afternmath, we have regular rotations to the region. If you're in the military right now, and you haven't gone, all I can say is this: checked your inbox lately?
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Trish
SFN Addict
USA
2102 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2001 : 22:59:04 [Permalink]
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NAM (I never found out if this was approved before my discharge that's why the ?) but was put in for for the work I did with MAG 70 preparing the unit to inflate and deploy to SWA. MAG 70 exists to move MAG 11 into a war zone, our Theater of Operation was SWA. I spent over five days at work on one occassion as one of the few with proper clearnances. So that's why I was put in, over and above the call...so to speak.
The CMC (Commandant of the Marine Corps) the guy in charge of it all issued the orders that no women were deploying, period end of story. They even stopped a C5 on take off because there was a woman on it. This attitude pissed me off regarding the womans role in the military and I was extremely upset with them for not letting women go. I should have been with my unit, not playing it safe back here in the states. I was really pissed when I found out women from other branches were deploying.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2001 : 19:06:45 [Permalink]
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I just wanted to add this news item from today to help dispell the myth that it's cheaper to execute someone than to house them for life.
McVeigh Defense Cost 13 Million
Your Intrepid News Hound
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Tokyodreamer
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 06/29/2001 : 20:31:48 [Permalink]
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quote:
I just wanted to add this news item from today to help dispell the myth that it's cheaper to execute someone than to house them for life.
Hmm, do you think it's fair to lump in the total cost of defense, then call it "the cost to execute someone"? I would have thought that the power bill or the cost of the lethal cocktail, and the cost of the final meal would constitute the "cost of execution".
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
4607 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2001 : 22:11:03 [Permalink]
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If you subtract 13.8 million from the total first 
You don't get to the execution without going through all the legal stuff first.
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ljbrs
SFN Regular
USA
842 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2001 : 17:54:45 [Permalink]
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Tim McVeigh. McVeigh. McVeigh. That name sounds familiar...
ljbrs
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comradebillyboy
Skeptic Friend
USA
188 Posts |
Posted - 08/09/2001 : 20:30:50 [Permalink]
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i had just about concluded that maybe we (the USA) should discontinue capital punishment, because the state makes too many errors. but guys like mcveigh, there is no other just sentance.
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