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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 06/11/2001 : 06:22:40 [Permalink]
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What is this daily bombing nonsense? It's not exaggeration, it's just not true.
I don't think I said daily bombing. I think I said "almost daily." Now, you might accuse me of exaggeration there. That is an oft-used phrase that I fell into using. Almost daily might be an exaggeration. Better to say something like more than weekly.
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Your talk about corporate media is meaningless. The big companies are more visable but there are many small, independent newspapers that investigate. Thanks to the web we also have access to news on the web.
So what if they don't spend the money on investigation, or they bury what they don't really want to talk about?
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You are saying there are. Throw us a fact or two. Assumptions don't mean anything.
I'm sorry, but I said early on that I'm not going to spoon feed you people.
All you people are doing is either completely ignoring what I'm saying or just sitting there saying that I'm wrong without really having any idea of what you or I am talking about.
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Conjecture is conjecture.
Can I quote you on that? Can I frame it and put it on my office wall? What do we have but conjecture on the reasons for U.S. involvement in Iraq. Is it because they don't like people invading other countries? No, the U.S. does it, it encourages others, like Israel to do it, and all evidence points to the idea that the U.S. encouraged Iraq to do it. Is it because Saddam is Evil? No. He was our boy up to the point of the invasion. Is it because he gassed the Kurds? No. First of all, there is no evidence of gassing, and second of all, he was our boy even after the U.S. found out about it.
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A UN force invaded and the sanctions were voted on by the UN. Am I missing something?
None of this would have happened without George Bush's bribing and threatening other countries to get involved. Nobody but the U.S. wants this to continue. All of this goes against the U.N. charter and the Geneva Convention and is genocide as defined by the Convention on Genocide.
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The US has gone to great length to help allies. Open your history book to pages that mention WW I, WW II, Korea, Vietnam. This was another example of the US aiding an ally. It's why countries go to the trouble of establishing each other as allies.
You can use the word genocide all you want. It doesn't make it true. You also go on about the daily bombings. That's not true either.
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Yes, the U.S. did attack South and North Vietnam and established a dictatorship which requested that the U.S. help them. Then they became responsible for the deaths of millions of Southeast Asians.
The U.S. didn't get into WWII to help anybody.
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Slater
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Posted - 06/11/2001 : 11:06:07 [Permalink]
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Gorgo-- They are called "jar heads" because of the hats that they wear with their dress uniforms. As a group they are arguably the bravest people on the face of the Earth.
The subject of this thread is one that the Department of the Navy gave me a class or two on during 'Nam. So I am, at least, familiar with it.
It's called "Dis-information"-- a backwards way of saying lying.
During WWII there was an infamous woman working for the Japanese know as "Tokyo Rose."
In Vietnam we had "Hanoi Hanna."
The day after bombing began in Baghdad, the press stationed there suddenly has this nameless "woman on the street" to interview. Odd, she wasn't in Moslem robes with only one eye peering out. No this "ordinary" woman was drop dead gorgeous and spoke American English without even the hint of an accent. She was dressed in the latest Paris business suit. She took the news people to see that those stupid Americans instead of bombing military installations with their smart bombs had only blown up orphanages and day care centers. What the Air Force took for a poison gas factory actually pasteurized milk for poor little infants.
Hellllllo….they are blowing smoke up your ass.
At least with Tokyo Rose the Japanese paid for their own broadcasting. Saddam got his propaganda on ABC, NBC and CBS. Not only did they broadcast it, but they talked about it for days as though it were actual news.
And now those mean nasty Americans who have no right to even be there have sanctions that are only hurting the poor and the innocent.
Right, pull the other one.
Gorgo, can you possibly be as naïve as you make yourself out to be? Or are you actually a supporter of Saddams regime?
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/11/2001 : 11:17:59 [Permalink]
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Yes, I'll say three Hail Marys for my sin of doubting the U.S. propaganda ministry. Certainly they wouldn't lie. Certainly I was only listening to Saddam's propaganda. Praise Jesus I've been healed!
Certainly the "smart bombs" and the "smart sanctions" and the "smart missiles" and the "smart jarheads" are only in Iraq to protect the ordinary Iraqi and the poor Kurds.
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Gorgo-- They are called "jar heads" because of the hats that they wear with their dress uniforms. As a group they are arguably the bravest people on the face of the Earth.
The subject of this thread is one that the Department of the Navy gave me a class or two on during 'Nam. So I am, at least, familiar with it.
It's called "Dis-information"-- a backwards way of saying lying.
During WWII there was an infamous woman working for the Japanese know as "Tokyo Rose."
In Vietnam we had "Hanoi Hanna."
The day after bombing began in Baghdad, the press stationed there suddenly has this nameless "woman on the street" to interview. Odd, she wasn't in Moslem robes with only one eye peering out. No this "ordinary" woman was drop dead gorgeous and spoke American English without even the hint of an accent. She was dressed in the latest Paris business suit. She took the news people to see that those stupid Americans instead of bombing military installations with their smart bombs had only blown up orphanages and day care centers. What the Air Force took for a poison gas factory actually pasteurized milk for poor little infants.
Hellllllo….they are blowing smoke up your ass.
At least with Tokyo Rose the Japanese paid for their own broadcasting. Saddam got his propaganda on ABC, NBC and CBS. Not only did they broadcast it, but they talked about it for days as though it were actual news.
And now those mean nasty Americans who have no right to even be there have sanctions that are only hurting the poor and the innocent.
Right, pull the other one.
Gorgo, can you possibly be as naïve as you make yourself out to be? Or are you actually a supporter of Saddams regime?
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@tomic
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Posted - 06/11/2001 : 11:29:41 [Permalink]
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Here's the thing Gorgo....you come here saying that all the news anyone gets but you is false. How come you are the sole recipient of the "truth" and the rest of get lies? I am offended because I go out of my way to read news from a variety of sources. I am willing to bet that a lot of people that read this board do as well.
Your "weekly bombings" are just as much a fantasy as your "daily" bombings. Every few months there is a single bombing if(and only if) there was a good reason. These bombings are then directed at military targets.
I think the one ignoring the truth is you, Gorgo. Iraq's use of gas is well documented both against Iran and the Kurds. Does anyone here remember those photos of Kurdish towns with women and children dead in the streats without a mark on them? Did they all just spontaneously die? I don't think so. I think you need to take a good look at where you are getting your information from.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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5310 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2001 : 11:58:56 [Permalink]
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Well, it's your need to get offended that's getting in your way.
In fact you do know that they are bombing more than once a year, you hear about it all the time. It's called "taking out radar installations."
I've shown you documentation and that's fine that you question the documentation, but your need to be offended keeps you from accepting the possibility that maybe you're not all knowing.
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Here's the thing Gorgo....you come here saying that all the news anyone gets but you is false. How come you are the sole recipient of the "truth" and the rest of get lies? I am offended because I go out of my way to read news from a variety of sources. I am willing to bet that a lot of people that read this board do as well.
Your "weekly bombings" are just as much a fantasy as your "daily" bombings. Every few months there is a single bombing if(and only if) there was a good reason. These bombings are then directed at military targets.
I think the one ignoring the truth is you, Gorgo. Iraq's use of gas is well documented both against Iran and the Kurds. Does anyone here remember those photos of Kurdish towns with women and children dead in the streats without a mark on them? Did they all just spontaneously die? I don't think so. I think you need to take a good look at where you are getting your information from.
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Stop the murder of the Iraq people.
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Posted - 06/11/2001 : 12:06:25 [Permalink]
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I am definately not "all knowing" but I am more than sure that what you have presented here is untrue. I don't see how 1 or 2 bombings a year turn into weekly or daily bombings. You refuse to accept the gas attacks against the Kurds and Iranians. You also flip genocide out there like you know what the word means.
Here's what my dictionary has as a definition: The systematic killing of a whole people or nation.
I know you are itching to tell us how the US fits that definition, so go for it.
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Slater
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Posted - 06/11/2001 : 12:13:34 [Permalink]
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Well, it's your need to get offended that's getting in your way.
I wasn't aware of having an actual need but I am offended by this pro- Iraq drivel.
If you are going to be the web-pawn of Saddam at least learn how to use it.
Before putting your post in the message box hilight everything in that box that you do not wish to repeat and delete it.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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5310 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2001 : 12:15:08 [Permalink]
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Of course you're more than sure. Otherwise, you couldn't be offended, and how much fun would that be for you?
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I am definately not "all knowing" but I am more than sure that what you have presented here is untrue. I don't see how 1 or 2 bombings a year turn into weekly or daily bombings. You refuse to accept the gas attacks against the Kurds and Iranians. You also flip genocide out there like you know what the word means.
Here's what my dictionary has as a definition: The systematic killing of a whole people or nation.
I know you are itching to tell us how the US fits that definition, so go for it.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
Stop the murder of the Iraq people.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/11/2001 : 12:19:09 [Permalink]
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Yes, everyone that doesn't agree with you must be a pawn of Satan, right?
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Well, it's your need to get offended that's getting in your way.
I wasn't aware of having an actual need but I am offended by this pro- Iraq drivel.
If you are going to be the web-pawn of Saddam at least learn how to use it.
Before putting your post in the message box hilight everything in that box that you do not wish to repeat and delete it.
When the dead talk -- they talk to him
Stop the murder of the Iraq people.
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Slater
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Posted - 06/11/2001 : 12:26:23 [Permalink]
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Yes, everyone that doesn't agree with you must be a pawn of Satan, right?
Saddam, not Satan. Although there is precious little difference. Anyway I thought it was The United States that was supposed to be The Great Satan
Would you like us all to break into a chorus of Spring time for Hitler?
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/11/2001 : 12:30:15 [Permalink]
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I've told you where I got my information from, but you don't seem interested in doing anything but worshipping the great god U.S.
I haven't refused to accept gas attacks of the Kurds, I just refuse to accept your gas attacks as intelligent conversation.
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Here's what my dictionary has as a definition: The systematic killing of a whole people or nation.
I know you are itching to tell us how the US fits that definition, so go for it.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
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Stop the murder of the Iraq people.
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Slater
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Posted - 06/11/2001 : 12:50:13 [Permalink]
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I've told you where I got my information from, but you don't seem interested in doing anything but worshipping the great god U.S.
I for one am unashamedly proud of my adopted country.
The medals I recieved in her service were not all for justr traveling. The scars are not from shaving too close.
If you want to align yourself with one of the enemies of mankind--then I am also proud to take any abuse you can dish out. Keep it up Gorgo --you've shown yourself for what you are.
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@tomic
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Posted - 06/11/2001 : 12:50:39 [Permalink]
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Yes you've told us where you got your information from, but it's obviously incorrect. Did you stop to think that more countries than the US have covered Iraq over the last 10 years? or is it a global conspiracy to supress the "truth"?
I find it shocking that you find it irrelevant that Saddam gasses his own people, entire villages. Some might find that alone as a good reason to impose sanctions.
I suggest you look at more than one source for your information as some of us have.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/11/2001 : 12:55:54 [Permalink]
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What you are shocked by is irrelevant. I have not said that it isn't important. What I have said is that Saddam's crimes are irrelevant to the deaths and illness and poverty from sanctions and the deaths from continuous bombing. What does that help? It only makes Saddam Hussein more entrenched as a leader. It is you that is on Saddam's side.
I suggest you look at more than the State Department for you information.
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Yes you've told us where you got your information from, but it's obviously incorrect. Did you stop to think that more countries than the US have covered Iraq over the last 10 years? or is it a global conspiracy to supress the "truth"?
I find it shocking that you find it irrelevant that Saddam gasses his own people, entire villages. Some might find that alone as a good reason to impose sanctions.
I suggest you look at more than one source for your information as some of us have.
@tomic
Gravity, not just a good idea...it's the law!
Stop the murder of the Iraq people.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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5310 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2001 : 12:58:05 [Permalink]
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I for one am unashamedly proud of my adopted country.
The medals I recieved in her service were not all for justr traveling. The scars are not from shaving too close.
If you want to align yourself with one of the enemies of mankind--then I am also proud to take any abuse you can dish out. Keep it up Gorgo --you've shown yourself for what you are.
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What you are proud of is important, I'm sure, but it's irrelevant to finding out what's going on.
What you did was what you thought you should do. Thank you for that much.
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