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The Rat
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Canada
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 Posted - 03/31/2002 : 17:26:23
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Call me callous, but I'm getting fed up with turning on the news only to hear the latest body count from the Middle East. Perhaps it's the especially greusome nature of human bombs that disgusts me, or the purposeful targeting of innocents, or the heavy-handed retaliation, or the uncompromising rhetoric.
Whatever, I've come to the conclusion that most people in power on both sides are not interested in peace.
I also feel that we have only two courses of action open to us. We could move in and take over, and try to impose peace. Yeah, right. If you thought Viet Nam was hopeless, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
Or, we could tell both sides that we're cutting them loose. You're on your own. Kill each other off until there's only one person left standing. And they win. But America and the west would still be blamed for the result. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
And why do we keep treating it as if it were news? It's become little more than morbid entertainment. So stop with the up-to-the-minute reports. Save them up and give us a synopsis and mortality total for the week. Remember the sports show 'This Week in Baseball'? That's the sort of format I mean. Give us a rundown on the scoring leaders and show the highlight reel, we'll tune in if we care.
I no longer do.
Bailey's second law; There is no relationship between the three virtues of intelligence, education, and wisdom.
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Snake
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 03/31/2002 : 19:02:37 [Permalink]
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Or, we could tell both sides that we're cutting them loose. You're on your own. Kill each other off until there's only one person left standing. And they win. But America and the west would still be blamed for the result. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't.
And why do we keep treating it as if it were news?
I already said that about them killing each other off. But why would America be blamed?
There are a lot of things in the 'news' that isn't news or let's say true important news. I got tired years ago of hearing about celebrities doing this and that as if it was hard news. I don't trust the networks at all. It's all publicity and advertizing disguised as news. "They" say, it wouldn't be on if no one watched but I'm wondering if people watch because they are too stupid to know the difference or care! I also am puzzled WHO watches and thinks what they see is important and news worthy.
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Mespo_man
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 04/01/2002 : 07:58:18 [Permalink]
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Well, let's see now...
Sharon will stop the suicide bombers even though they're going off faster than a string of lady fingers at a July 4th picnic.
Arafat is calling for armed intervention in English and Jihad in Arabic.
Our illustrious President says that Arafat isn't doing enough to stop the violence. The fact that Arafat is cornered in his office without food, water, or power doesn't fit into the equation. I mean, what the Hell, his CELL PHONE still works! Don't know how many calling card minutes he has left though.
And the Blessed Pope, hanging on to the Easter Alter so he doesn't fall over is calling for World Peace, the same as he does each year at this time.
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Gosh, with such dynamic world leaders at the forefront, can be Peace be far behind?
Hello, Peace... Peace are you there? YO PEACE! Pick up the phone!
*tap* *tap* *Is this mike working?*
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Valiant Dancer
Forum Goalie
USA
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Posted - 04/01/2002 : 13:12:06 [Permalink]
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Call me callous, but I'm getting fed up with turning on the news only to hear the latest body count from the Middle East. Perhaps it's the especially greusome nature of human bombs that disgusts me, or the purposeful targeting of innocents, or the heavy-handed retaliation, or the uncompromising rhetoric.
I'm with you Rat. I'm all for erecting a 400 foot high fence around the country and let them kill one another until they finally get it. Holding the combatants apart and trying to force a peace between them only seems to make them want to kill one another more. When they are through killing one another, maybe they will be interested in forging a lasting peace. The US, by supplying arms often times to both sides of a conflict, is not helping matters. However, European powers who routinely labaste the US for dictating terms to combatants will then turn to say that the US isn't doing enough to stop the bloodshed. (Been going on since the 50's.) Perhaps it is time to be more isolationist in our foreign policy.
My fear is that Arafat will be killed. The combination civil war over succession and the assault of the Israelis could send them back to the early days of the conflict. Sharron seems to be bent on this in an attempt to take back the whole of Israel by military means. And people wonder why Arafat is calling for a Jihad.
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@tomic
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 04/01/2002 : 13:36:55 [Permalink]
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You know, if it wasn't Israel doing this. Say it was Iran or Libya or Morocco we would have economic sanctions in place and our government would demand that the country end it's illegal occupation. Instead we have Israel comparing the suicide bombings to September 11th and the President adopting Israel's line.
Were the French terrorists when they bombed trying to do their part to drive out the Nazis? No, they did what they could to drive an occupying army out.
And all of this going on right after the Saudis peace proposal. To me it looks as if Israel does not want peace no or ever. If they keep it up they will get their wish.
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Tim
SFN Regular
USA
775 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2002 : 03:22:43 [Permalink]
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Considering the Arabic/middle-eastern bias of the source of this article, it was after all written by a Jew. Anyway, I thought it may put a different spin on this issue.http://www.rense.com/general18/bible.htm
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The Rat
SFN Regular
Canada
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Posted - 04/07/2002 : 07:48:49 [Permalink]
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Considering the Arabic/middle-eastern bias of the source of this article,...
It isn't that which bothers me, but rather the fact that it shows up on Jeff Rense's page. Considering <i>him</i> as a source, it could be a total fabrication. His claims about the moon landings being a hoax are notorious among the skeptical community for thei brazen disregard for any level of civilized reason and diiscourse.
But if it <i>is</i> authentic, then it is an interesting view. I'm no archeologist, but I do know that recent research has indeed overturned a lot of religious dogma. Unfortunately, those on both sides of the conflict who would be affected the most by such findings are so blinded by faith that truth is an unknown concept.
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Lisa
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 04/14/2002 : 11:21:27 [Permalink]
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No Rat, you're not being insensitive, unless we all are. I think we're all suffering from burn-out. I turn on the news in the morning to see if they've managed to nuke each other, but that's about it.
The definition of "peace" over there is very puzzling, and quite different from mine. Lately, "peace" seems to mean "obliterating the other side". "Peace process" means "war of mutual extinction".
We throw tremendous support to Isreal. Yesterday it was announced we're giving a large chunk of cash to the palistinians. Would these folks have more incentive to work things out if the money tap was shut off?
Lisa
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
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Posted - 04/14/2002 : 11:39:03 [Permalink]
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Whatever, I've come to the conclusion that most people in power on both sides are not interested in peace.
I agree that if they keep this up, you are right. Sharon is a madman. But Arafat is no picnic. To simply blame Israel is to miss the point. Many offers have been on the table including pulling out all Jewish settlements and returning all lands taken while Israel was defending itself. Arafat has never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Even sharing Jerusalem was on the table.
Frankly, I think its impossible to get to any kind of peace while either Arafat or Sharon are in charge, or, dare I say, alive....
The Evil Skeptic
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