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McQ
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 Posted - 04/04/2007 : 18:23:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Does the ignore feature mean that you don't see what the ignored person writes on the forums? Or does it just mean that they can't send you PMs?
Apparently, it allows you to see what the "ignored" write in the forums, because I can still see the (ironically, for this thread) sarcastic, rude, childish, and decidedly uncivil posts by someone I put on ignore.
Edited to add:
Either that or I can't get the ignore feature to work properly.
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Dave W.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 21:31:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
On this forum, the ignore feature only applies to PMs.
Good! Then people can't block out Moonscape News!
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 21:32:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by McQ
quote:
Originally posted by marfknox
Does the ignore feature mean that you don't see what the ignored person writes on the forums? Or does it just mean that they can't send you PMs?
Apparently, it allows you to see what the "ignored" write in the forums, because I can still see the (ironically, for this thread) sarcastic, rude, childish, and decidedly uncivil posts by someone I put on ignore.
Edited to add:
Either that or I can't get the ignore feature to work properly.
But the "Snub" button still works fine.
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McQ
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 04:01:44 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
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Originally posted by McQ
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Originally posted by marfknox
Does the ignore feature mean that you don't see what the ignored person writes on the forums? Or does it just mean that they can't send you PMs?
Apparently, it allows you to see what the "ignored" write in the forums, because I can still see the (ironically, for this thread) sarcastic, rude, childish, and decidedly uncivil posts by someone I put on ignore.
Edited to add:
Either that or I can't get the ignore feature to work properly.
But the "Snub" button still works fine.
Of course. It's been working extremely well. |
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GeeMack
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 07:15:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal...
I am happy to report I feel wonderful. I finally started using the ignore feature on JREF (only 2 names on there at the moment) and it has more of an effect than I had imagined it would. And I am ignoring a few people here. It sounds childish putting it that way but in forum context, I actually think it is a very useful tool!
Do you actually participate in conversations over there now that you're ignoring some members? We've had communication problems and frustrating conversations right here at SFN because of people making assumptions about, and misunderstanding others' comments. Often those situations appear to stem from people taking things out of context, even when all the messages here can be read by all the participants. It seems that eliminating some messages in a thread would increase the possibility of taking something out of context and/or making incorrect assumptions about other people's replies, since part of the context is missing.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 12:52:07 [Permalink]
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 16:14:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
Does the ignore feature mean that you don't see what the ignored person writes on the forums? Or does it just mean that they can't send you PMs?
On JREF (and I assume other forums with the feature) you see they posted something but it is blank like with spoilers.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 16:31:27 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by GeeMack
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Originally posted by beskeptigal...
I am happy to report I feel wonderful. I finally started using the ignore feature on JREF (only 2 names on there at the moment) and it has more of an effect than I had imagined it would. And I am ignoring a few people here. It sounds childish putting it that way but in forum context, I actually think it is a very useful tool!
Do you actually participate in conversations over there now that you're ignoring some members? We've had communication problems and frustrating conversations right here at SFN because of people making assumptions about, and misunderstanding others' comments. Often those situations appear to stem from people taking things out of context, even when all the messages here can be read by all the participants. It seems that eliminating some messages in a thread would increase the possibility of taking something out of context and/or making incorrect assumptions about other people's replies, since part of the context is missing.
The reason I put the two people on ignore on the JREF forum was for their posts accusing me of "lying" or being "dishonest". By the same token here I see no reason to bother discussing anything with people who have posted similarly personal attacks.
You made such statements as did Dude. Dave W made other statements which were personal attacks as did Mycroft.
I post this as a courtesy, as I did in the JREF forum, letting you know you should ignore my posts. If you think I willfully and dishonestly misinterpret your posts, why would you want to discuss anything with me anyway?
Those claims as well as other personal attacks made by other people were false and upsetting. I choose not to be upset. I choose not to read your posts. I suggest you ignore mine.
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Dude
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 19:13:06 [Permalink]
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beskeptigal said:
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You made such statements as did Dude.
If you lie, you should expect to be called a lair.
If you can't defend your comments when some one calls you a lair, if you can't demonstrate clearly that you are not being dishonest, then you need to reconsider your statements.
All forms of logical fallacy are a form of dishonesty when used deliberately.
You have recently resorted to the use of fallacy to defend your indefensible comments.
Now you decide to ignore people who call you out on your fallacies.
I can only reply.... whatever.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 19:19:58 [Permalink]
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On a web site devoted to discussion, as we are, I find that "I am ignoring you" is just about the rudest personal attack anyone can make. beskeptigal thinks it's a courtesy, which simply compounds the insult.
On at least two other forums (one with tens of thousands of members), publicly talking about who is on your ignore list, even in generic terms, is a bannable offense. That's how gravely offensive "I am ignoring you" really is.
And probably the absolutely worst aspect of that sentence is that it's an eternal condemnation. Now that I'm being ignored, any apology I might care to make will, like everything else I might say, simply be ignored. beskeptigal has judged me a true reprobate, and undeserving of another chance at mutual beneficial communications, no matter how I might try to make amends. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 21:49:05 [Permalink]
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Hell, even Dave gets things right now and then. I think we should ignore an entire thread if it upsets us too much. This is what I generally do with Mozina's iron sun threads. (In that case, the main reason it upsets me is that I don't know enough to intelligently engage in the merriment.)
Several people here (yeah, you bastards know full well who you are!) have greatly upset me in the past. But I'm becoming hardened. If I can't take on someone's comments and ideas, it might just mean that I'm wrong.
If I tackle them, however distasteful the language gets, three main things may result: 1) I prove my point, winning the awed admiration of all, and the humble apologies of my opponents; 2) I'm shown what an idiot I am, if I cannot back up my position, and I learn from the process (even if it's just learning to stay clear of certain smart-assed bastards and their so-called "facts"); 3) Nobody convinces nobody, and yet eventually the flames burn down and the conflict dies away, until the next thread touches on or near the same topic, or simply brings the major combatants together again.
For me, option 3 is the most common result, followed closely by option 2. But whichever happens, I find myself made stronger and wiser by the process -- assuming one may broadly define "stronger" to include "less sensitive," and "wiser" as to include "slicker, harder to pin down, and more cagey."
I gotta see what all the other folks are saying, if I participate at all in a conversation. It's bad enough when others deny me information, but denying it to myself just makes no sense.
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marfknox
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 08:57:42 [Permalink]
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GeeMack
SFN Regular
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 13:12:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by beskeptigal...
The reason I put the two people on ignore on the JREF forum was for their posts accusing me of "lying" or being "dishonest". By the same token here I see no reason to bother discussing anything with people who have posted similarly personal attacks.
You made such statements as did Dude. Dave W made other statements which were personal attacks as did Mycroft.
I said, truthfully, that you had made incorrect assumptions about my position here. I said you appeared to be acting rude and condescending, which was also a statement of truth. Correcting your misunderstanding and calling you on the irony of your handling of the situation is not a personal attack. Hell, beskeptigal, your criticism of a handful of other people's apparent attitude issues is what got you into this mess. And no, I don't imagine you're intentionally holding a double standard here, but intentionally or not, you are.
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I post this as a courtesy, as I did in the JREF forum, letting you know you should ignore my posts. If you think I willfully and dishonestly misinterpret your posts, why would you want to discuss anything with me anyway?
Well, as has already been mentioned by a few others, it isn't generally perceived as courteous.
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Those claims as well as other personal attacks made by other people were false and upsetting. I choose not to be upset. I choose not to read your posts. I suggest you ignore mine.
Please show where I made any false claims. Please show where I stated that I believed you "willfully or dishonestly" misinterpreted my comments. If you are unable to do so, please retract your comment above. Here are the links to all my posts in this thread...
But in light of this comment...quote:
Originally posted by beskeptigal...
All we have to do is correct misconceptions and apologize for behavior we all have from time to time.
... since you've had an opportunity to correct some of your misconceptions, maybe you wouldn't mind offering an apology to Dude, Dave, and others who have found your general approach to this issue somewhat offensive. If you offer one, I would accept your apology for ignoring me because of your misunderstanding my comments, also. And it seems it might be appropriate to apologize to Indeterminacy for making your incorrect assumption about his motivations, too.
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beskeptigal
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 04/07/2007 : 02:48:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by marfknox
I don't think it is rude at all to just ignore the PMs or comments in a thread if a person thinks the discussion is descending into nothing but insults, or if a person feels that all that is going to be said has been said and now there are just redundancies and hard feelings. But I agree with Dave that telling someone that you are ignoring them, or threatening to put them on your ignore list, or especially publicly discussing who is on your ignore list is a high insult and inappropriate.
It isn't like the posts these personal attacks were in weren't public in the first place, Marf.
And if you find the ad homs and outright crap is affecting you what other options might you suggest? Ignore people but don't tell them? That felt awkward.
Ignore them only regarding the offensive posts? You saw how well that worked when a couple members just brought the issue up again in the next thread.
Try to resolve the matters? That was another dead end.
Putting people on ignore is a widespread solution used in a number of forums to prevent flame wars. It wasn't something I made up on my own. How can ignoring a person's posts be any more insulting than the things those persons said about me which resulted in wanting to ignore them in the first place? I am fed up with being personally attacked for my political views and I'm fed up with being called a liar.
If you have another option, I'm listening. But I don't think using a solution other forums have found successful deserves even more condemnation. People post shitty things they would probably never say to someone in person. It is purely a forum phenomenon. The solution is also a forum phenomenon and isn't one you would use face to face. It isn't comparable.
So I'm sorry if people find it insulting. I'm not a masochist.
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A little more civility, please…
