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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 07:11:48 [Permalink]
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Every organisms can be described as a grouping of characteristics.
These characteristics can be called 'traits'.
Some of these characteristics are purely due to the environment (scars for example) while other are the expression of one of a group of their genes.
For example,flamingos have the ability to extract the beta-carotene from their food and display it on their feathers.
Such characteristics are called 'phenotypic' and the sum of all such characteristic; a sum that constitute the total result of the genotype's expression; is termed the phenotype of an individual. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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 Posted - 06/11/2008 : 07:27:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by MuhammedGoldstein
| why could it not be said that it is the white flamingo's genetic encoding, which, when acted upon by environment-- in particular, when it consumes a particular type of food-- turns it pink? |
And, it seems to me, that we have another problem.
I don't know if you can see it, but I think that the way you've phrased it has the bird's genetic encoding consuming a particular food 
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Wow! If this were a practical joke, it would be a good one. Unfortunately, I don't think it is...
All animals are genetically encoded to prefer and thrive on diets that best suit their nutritional needs. There may be some or even a lot of variety in the diet. But the diet is still limited. The food that is both available and allowable due to genetic encoding is what the animal will eat.
If you believe otherwise, you are wrong. Wrong wrong wrong.
If you don't believe otherwise, stop this silly nit picking. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 06/11/2008 : 07:31:01 [Permalink]
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| filthy, it's true, the wrong kind of barracuda were sold in S,F, in the street market. Several people were taken to hospital and somebody died , it think. Wonder what fugu fish eat ? |
If by "fugu" you mean that species of puffer that is such a Japanese delicacy (that I am stupid enough to want to try), they eat corals. Coral toxins are what make the parrot fish & others contaminate the species that prey upon them. The fish themselves are resistant to these toxins, but we are not. It is my understanding that the preparation of those puffers is left only to the master chefs because a mistake could put the diner to great inconvenience & distress.
These relationships are fascinating. For example: species of nudibranchs (sea slugs) feed upon anemones and jellyfish, which, themselves predators, feed and defend themselves using highly toxic stinging calls called cniodocytes. These cniodocytes contain nematocysts which act like tiny, spring-loaded, venom-bearing harpoons and can be devastating, as anyone who's gotten tangled up with a Portuguese man o' war can attest. The nudibranch eats it's victim and keeps the remaining cniodocytes for it's own defense, isn't this a lot more fun than some goofy bird? There really is no limit to it, you know.
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bngbuck
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 07:33:10 [Permalink]
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MuhammedGoldstein.....
Is circumcision mitzva aseh or Sunnah in your culture? |
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 07:35:29 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by MuhammedGoldstein
| why could it not be said that it is the white flamingo's genetic encoding, which, when acted upon by environment-- in particular, when it consumes a particular type of food-- turns it pink? |
And, it seems to me, that we have another problem.
I don't know if you can see it, but I think that the way you've phrased it has the bird's genetic encoding consuming a particular food
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Wow! If this were a practical joke, it would be a good one. Unfortunately, I don't think it is...
All animals are genetically encoded to prefer and thrive on diets that best suit their nutritional needs. There may be some or even a lot of variety in the diet. But the diet is still limited. The food that is both available and allowable because of genetic encoding is what the animal will eat.
If you believe otherwise, you are wrong. Wrong wrong wrong.
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So do you believe this is right right right? | why could it not be said that it is the bird's genetic encoding, which, when acted upon by environment, produce(s) a white bird that can turn pink ? |
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It does mention phenotype, just without using the word "phenotype."... DAVEW |
| Edited by - MuhammedGoldstein on 06/11/2008 07:41:57 |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 07:36:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by MuhammedGoldstein
| why could it not be said that it is the white flamingo's genetic encoding, which, when acted upon by environment-- in particular, when it consumes a particular type of food-- turns it pink? |
And, it seems to me, that we have another problem.
I don't know if you can see it, but I think that the way you've phrased it has the bird's genetic encoding consuming a particular food
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So this is now past ridiculous. EVERY PERSON HERE KNOWS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. If you aren't going to advance the discussion, then I'm done. |
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 07:38:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
MuhammedGoldstein.....
Is circumcision mitzva aseh or Sunnah in your culture?
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we're sitting on the fence |
It does mention phenotype, just without using the word "phenotype."... DAVEW |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 07:44:29 [Permalink]
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Either you are nit picking or need to bone up on your reading comprehension. Based on its genetic encoding, if one component of the available and allowable foods that a flamingo can eat turns it pink, and the flamingo eats that food, it will turn pink.
We are saying the same thing. Cune was saying the same thing. Everyone here is saying the same thing. |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 07:48:59 [Permalink]
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Now I am curious at how long you can keep an established point by all parties in flux by picking apart the language that you don't prefer...
So far, were up top 17 pages of this nonsense... |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 07:58:04 [Permalink]
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MuhammedGoldstein.....
Originally posted by bngbuck
MuhammedGoldstein.....
Is circumcision mitzva aseh or Sunnah in your culture? |
| we're sitting on the fence |
Like....kind of on the razor's edge of dickcision? |
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 08:02:01 [Permalink]
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I don't see why you can't say that my statement is correct.
as to saying it, Seems that you three are avoiding it like the devil.
Either you are nit picking or need to bone up on your reading comprehension. Based on its genetic encoding, if one component of the available and allowable foods that a flamingo can eat turns it pink, and the flamingo eats that food, it will turn pink.
We are saying the same thing. Cune was saying the same thing. Everyone here is saying the same thing. |
perhaps you see them as all saying the same thing, but that obviously is not true.
Cune has amended and amended.
How could it have been "the same thing" when it needed amendment ? |
It does mention phenotype, just without using the word "phenotype."... DAVEW |
| Edited by - MuhammedGoldstein on 06/11/2008 08:05:40 |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 08:03:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
MuhammedGoldstein.....
Originally posted by bngbuck
MuhammedGoldstein.....
Is circumcision mitzva aseh or Sunnah in your culture? |
| we're sitting on the fence |
Like....kind of on the razor's edge of dickcision?
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 08:07:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by MuhammedGoldstein
I don't see why you can't say that my statement is correct.
as to saying it, Seems that you three are avoiding it like the devil.
Either you are nit picking or need to bone up on your reading comprehension. Based on its genetic encoding, if one component of the available and allowable foods that a flamingo can eat turns it pink, and the flamingo eats that food, it will turn pink.
We are saying the same thing. Cune was saying the same thing. Everyone here is saying the same thing. |
perhaps you see them as all saying the same thing, but that obviously is not true.
Cune has amended and amended.
How could it have been "the same thing" when it needed amendment ?
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Which statement would that be? Or is it just that you must dictate the wording when we are all saying the same thing? |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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MuhammedGoldstein
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Posted - 06/11/2008 : 08:14:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by MuhammedGoldstein
I don't see why you can't say that my statement is correct.
as to saying it, Seems that you three are avoiding it like the devil.
Either you are nit picking or need to bone up on your reading comprehension. Based on its genetic encoding, if one component of the available and allowable foods that a flamingo can eat turns it pink, and the flamingo eats that food, it will turn pink.
We are saying the same thing. Cune was saying the same thing. Everyone here is saying the same thing. |
perhaps you see them as all saying the same thing, but that obviously is not true.
Cune has amended and amended.
How could it have been "the same thing" when it needed amendment ?
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Which statement would that be? Or is it just that you must dictate the wording when we are all saying the same thing?
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| why could it not be said that it is the bird's genetic encoding, which, when acted upon by environment, produce(s)* a white bird that can turn pink ? |
I need some agreement that this is correct, in order to proceed. Dave knows better, Cune is cautious now, and you're up. |
It does mention phenotype, just without using the word "phenotype."... DAVEW |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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 Posted - 06/11/2008 : 08:18:45 [Permalink]
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| I have no problem with that statement. Can we proceed now? |
Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
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