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 Posted - 09/27/2011 : 20:29:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by CRUX
non admins are allowed in, to revise also ? |
Forum moderators can edit posts in the forums they moderate.
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and my idea was that a bad combo of revision and a self censor of one little part, could lead to a appearance so very different from before. |
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CRUX
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 20:33:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by CRUX
It's unfortunate that you react this way.
if you change a quotation box it would change what was there before. |
No, it would only change whether there's a box around something or not. It wouldn't - as you claimed - reverse anything. The only thing the [quote] tags do is put a blue box around text and indent it.
Direct question, CRUX: did you post here as MuhammedGoldstein?
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It would offer apparent attribution to another person possibly ?
It would offer it to the correct person instead of the mistake ? |
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Kil
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 20:34:38 [Permalink]
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CRUX:
Your claim that no thread is ever revised was not true at all. |
Fixing forum tags and such are not revisions. They are corrections. No one here has ever changed a comment in a thread. No one has revised what a person has said. And anyone can edit their own comments for a certain number of days for editing purposes. I've done it with my own comments, but only to fix spelling errors or sometimes to make my comment clearer. And only within hours of posting. But I, nor anyone else here has done more than that.
Corrections are not revisions. They are a favor to those who don't know how to use our forum. When I do it, I leave a red letter comment that says what I did.
Of course, we do delete or move threads from obvious spammers. People selling watches or vitamines. That sort of thing. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 20:43:11 [Permalink]
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Direct question, CRUX: did you post here as MuhammedGoldstein?Originally posted by CRUX
You see me as reasonable and conciliatory now and you should not abuse that. |
No, you are being irrational and threatening.| You should apologise. Your claim that no thread is ever revised was not true at all. |
When did Kil ever make such a claim? It appears that he was talking about revisions for content, not format. Like "Removing some of your own comments and some others, comments that might have been embarrassing to you because you were shown to be stupid ?" That's what Kil said never happens, and he's correct.| and my idea was that a bad combo of revision and a self censor of one little part, could lead to a appearance so very different from before. |
Your idea fails to meet the criteria you stated: "Removing some of your own comments and some others, comments that might have been embarrassing to you because you were shown to be stupid ?" It utterly fails as a hypothesis to explain how you might have been mistaken in what you claimed. Fixing broken quote boxes wouldn't explain that. Fixing broken links can't explain it. Deleting spam can't explain it. Eliding personal info can't explain it. Editing a thread title can't explain it.
Nothing that we do could explain "Removing some of your own comments and some others, comments that might have been embarrassing to you because you were shown to be stupid ?" It was made-up nonsense when you first accused me of doing it, and it's still made-up nonsense now. You're grasping at the straw of "ooooh, moderators can edit" because it's the only way for you to save face: by invoking a nameless "some other moderator" as a stand-in for what you first claimed was my personal bad behavior.
It's so incredibly insincere of you that I wouldn't accept an apology from you on that basis even if you wrote it on a solid gold brick.It would offer apparent attribution to another person possibly ?
It would offer it to the correct person instead of the mistake ? |
See? You are searching desperately for someone else to blame for your total screw-up. |
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CRUX
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 20:44:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
CRUX:
Your claim that no thread is ever revised was not true at all. |
Fixing forum tags and such are not revisions. They are corrections. No one here has ever changed a comment in a thread. No one has revised what a person has said. And anyone can edit their own comments for a certain number of days for editing purposes. I've done it with my own comments, but only to fix spelling errors or sometimes to make my comment clearer. And only within hours of posting. But I, nor anyone else here has done more than that.
Corrections are not revisions. They are a favor to those who don't know how to use our forum. When I do it, I leave a red letter comment that says what I did.
Of course, we do delete or move threads from obvious spammers. People selling watches or vitamines. That sort of thing.
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I don't care if you do not call it revising. I'm not talking about removing others' stuff now. I'm asking if a self censor of something not quite proper, followed by quote box fixing by a cleanup, could happen. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 20:51:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by CRUX
I'm not talking about removing others' stuff now. |
Then you need to retract your claim that you had evidence that I had removed other people's comments.
Remember? I said:| So you made the accusation without having evidence for it. |
And then you replied: |
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CRUX
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 20:55:43 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by CRUX
I'm not talking about removing others' stuff now. |
Then you need to retract your claim that you had evidence that I had removed other people's comments.
Remember? I said:| So you made the accusation without having evidence for it. |
And then you replied:
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No I do not, Dave.
I said I'm not talking about that now. That means I am shifting enquiry.
I don't want to have to retract an apology either, should you turn on me afterward with false allegations. |
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Kil
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 21:00:18 [Permalink]
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CRUX:
I'm asking if a self censor of something not quite proper... |
It's possible. I deleted a post of mine the night before last because I was pissed off when I wrote it. I didn't like what I wrote, so I deleted it. That was within seconds of posting it. But no. Neither I nor any of our mods or administrators would go back and alter a thread or a post, after a reasonable time for editing has taken place, to look better. No and no again.
What you are accusing us of would be an ethical breach. So shift the accusation on to me. Whatever. It's still a false accusation. |
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CRUX
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 21:04:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by CRUX
I'm not talking about removing others' stuff now. |
Then you need to retract your claim that you had evidence that I had removed other people's comments.
Remember? I said:| So you made the accusation without having evidence for it. |
And then you replied:
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I had evidence for it. If it does turn out that what I saw can be accounted for by problems in fixing cleanup and a self censorship of an item, then the fault lies within the system and I would apologize to you.
Does it mean you had nothing to do with it ? NO , it means it's entirely possible that a bad combo of interactions cause the thread history to now appear different than it was.
However, I'd have to say that then evidence would indicate it's NOT for sure looking to be you. and I'd have to apologize. |
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CRUX
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 21:13:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
CRUX:
I'm asking if a self censor of something not quite proper... |
It's possible. I deleted a post of mine the night before last because I was pissed off when I wrote it. I didn't like what I wrote, so I deleted it. That was within seconds of posting it. But no. Neither I nor any of our mods or administrators would go back and alter a thread or a post, after a reasonable time for editing has taken place, to look better. No and no again.
What you are accusing us of would be an ethical breach. So shift the accusation on to me. Whatever. It's still a false accusation.
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Sorry, let's take away blame words and loaded loaded words like "revision" or "altering" and "intentional"...I'm interested in what is possible that happened.
I am not sure what you are referring to, about an accusation of breach of ethics...I see that part as a failure in thinking ahead, of system or method, but not an ethical one.
Do mods or admin ever censor another mod's post ?
I do not want you to take blame for something you did not do in order to cool things. Lots of uncool things went on. |
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 21:20:25 [Permalink]
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Kil
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 21:23:50 [Permalink]
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CRUX:
Do mods or admin ever censor another mod's post ? |
No. Mods have made mistakes with forum tags too, perhaps when they were rushed or something. When that happens, one of us might fix the tag. That's it.
The only things that ever get censored are gross violations of the terms everyone agrees to when they register, (I don't think that's happened more than once or twice) and copyright infringements that puts SFN in jeopardy of lawsuits. And spam.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 21:37:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by CRUX
I said I'm not talking about that now. That means I am shifting enquiry. |
Yes, you're trying to distract away from the accusations you actually made to fit some mythical thing you say you saw with what's possible for us to do here, in an obviously pathetic bid to swing blame around and hit someone or something with it other than yourself.| I'm asking if a self censor of something not quite proper... |
The best evidence I could find of "self-censorship" is a post that MG edited ten hours after he wrote it, and two days before he was banned for trolling. He did a lot of self-editing, but mostly within minutes of posting (much like yourself). Here is one he deleted himself three minutes after writing (but he was too incompetent to find the delete button).
I can find no evidence that any moderator or admin ever edited any of his posts in the previous thread in any way.| I had evidence for it. If it does turn out that what I saw can be accounted for by problems in fixing cleanup and a self censorship of an item, then the fault lies within the system and I would apologize to you. |
Since you still won't say exactly what you saw, you must do the work yourself to support your claim. I could find no "fixing cleanup" and what "self censorship" occurred usually happened within minutes. Neither can explain your claim, that I deleted comments by others and myself after I'd been shown to be stupid.| Does it mean you had nothing to do with it ? NO , it means it's entirely possible that a bad combo of interactions cause the thread history to now appear different than it was. |
No, there is no evidence for that, so you're stuck with accusing me of massive fraud and having no evidence to support it.| I don't want to have to retract an apology either, should you turn on me afterward with false allegations. |
Thus you demonstrate your complete lack of conciliation. You are guarded and defensive, even though it was your attack that brought all this down on you.| Do mods or admin ever censor another mod's post ? |
Still desperately searching for a way out of the corner you painted yourself into.
Anyway...
Direct question, CRUX: did you post here as MuhammedGoldstein?
You know what? This is completely stupid of you, CRUX. Just say "no." If you're lying, you get live happily in the knowledge that you pulled the wool over my eyes. If you're not lying, the question stops being asked.
The only way I can think you would have even hesitated at answering the question is if your ethics are so messed up that you would refuse to lie in response to a direct question, but you think that pretending that CRUX and MG are two different people is somehow not lying. If that were to be true, I would suggest that you appease what would be your obviously fragile and twisted conscience and answer "yes." |
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CRUX
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 21:41:49 [Permalink]
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that's an unfortunate response. You committed many gross violations . Even so I would apologize if I knew that it could have been anyone anytime with free access and less than a perfect brain.
Good night Dave. |
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Kil
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 21:46:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by CRUX
that's an unfortunate response. You committed many gross violations .
Good night Dave.
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