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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 12:16:32 [Permalink]
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Mabuse, what you are saying is that it is more likely you than Dave, who goes in and revises ?
And you have been posting messages like that on every instance where you revised a post ? |
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 16:58:39 [Permalink]
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| mabus, I can't believe I offered insult to H Humbert. I think he is the best mind so far. Very peaceful and direct. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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 Posted - 09/27/2011 : 17:47:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by CRUX
Mabuse, what you are saying is that it is more likely you than Dave, who goes in and revises ? |
I haven't thought about it. But I guess so. I don't have editing access in all forum sections, only in those where I'm moderator.
And I only do revisions to correct forum layout issues, like re-formatting links that are too long, and other formatting problems like nested formatting tags or mismatching formatting tags.
I never edit the text of posts except in my own post.
And you have been posting messages like that on every instance where you revised a post ?
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Yes. The red text is added by me, as a message explaining why I edited the post. The black text below in smaller font size, which reads "Edited by - Dr. Mabuse on 09/26/2011 15:02:04" is added by the forum software automatically, and I can't touch or remove that, even if I wanted to. Should I happen to forget to leave the red text, that black notice will always be added to show who made latest edit of the post. |
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 19:47:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
I haven't thought about it. But I guess so. I don't have editing access in all forum sections, only in those where I'm moderator.
And I only do revisions to correct forum layout issues, like re-formatting links that are too long, and other formatting problems like nested formatting tags or mismatching formatting tags.
I never edit the text of posts except in my own post. |
Yeah, the idea that anyone here would edit someone else's post to change the content (or delete a post to hide inconvenient content) is reprehensible. We edit for formatting, fixing broken links, copyright infringement and obvious spam. Occasionally, we have edited to protect stupid people from themselves (like eliding an Internet newbie's home phone number with Xs). I edit thread titles to make them look nicer for the Summary, as needed and remembered, but I won't even change the meaning there.
We don't edit to save face. Not anyone's face.
So CRUX's accusations are simply crap, which is why he refuses to even say that it'd take him a month or a year to present the evidence. All he's got are three-year-old memories that I suspect are nothing more than wishful thinking.
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CRUX
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 19:50:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by CRUX
Mabuse, what you are saying is that it is more likely you than Dave, who goes in and revises ? |
I haven't thought about it. But I guess so. I don't have editing access in all forum sections, only in those where I'm moderator.
And I only do revisions to correct forum layout issues, like re-formatting links that are too long, and other formatting problems like nested formatting tags or mismatching formatting tags.
I never edit the text of posts except in my own post.
And you have been posting messages like that on every instance where you revised a post ?
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Yes. The red text is added by me, as a message explaining why I edited the post. The black text below in smaller font size, which reads "Edited by - Dr. Mabuse on 09/26/2011 15:02:04" is added by the forum software automatically, and I can't touch or remove that, even if I wanted to. Should I happen to forget to leave the red text, that black notice will always be added to show who made latest edit of the post.
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Thank you. So other people go in too ?
mabus, this is my feeling on the matter here.
Suppose someone, we will call the originator.the post author, edits his own post just a bit later in the week because what he said was not really allowable.
Later, a revision takes place doing clean up. the revision removes extra space, some crap maybe or stray punctuations, and fixes quote box attributions..tidies up.
To an outsider, that would look like a different history. Who said what to whom in a back and forth exchange is partly reversed possibly, from how it looked last time, with some of it gone.
Whereas if nothing was ever interfered with, what it would look like later on, is just that the post originator messed up on the quote boxes. It might be misleading to read but the actual history is there to sort.
It could be a very unfortunate combo of circumstances that occurred to give a bad impression that was not really as bad as incorrect, logically, or methodologically, perhaps.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 19:50:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by CRUX
mabus, I can't believe I offered insult to H Humbert. I think he is the best mind so far. Very peaceful and direct.
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It could be that I misinterpreted the kitchen sink comment. None the less, it's of minor consequence compared to the rest of the insults you've been hurling around. But even more important the serious accusation that Dave has been tampering with old threads, by editing and deleting posts other than his own (or even his own for other reasons than to correct spelling and grammar, or additions to elaborate a certain point).
Such an accusation is very serious.
You may adress me as Dr. Mabuse or Mab for short if you like. Mabus is the nickname Dennis Markuze used, a Canadian citizen with whom I will not be associated with.
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CRUX
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 19:58:16 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by CRUX
mabus, I can't believe I offered insult to H Humbert. I think he is the best mind so far. Very peaceful and direct.
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It could be that I misinterpreted the kitchen sink comment. None the less, it's of minor consequence compared to the rest of the insults you've been hurling around. But even more important the serious accusation that Dave has been tampering with old threads, by editing and deleting posts other than his own (or even his own for other reasons than to correct spelling and grammar, or additions to elaborate a certain point).
Such an accusation is very serious.
You may adress me as Dr. Mabuse or Mab for short if you like. Mabus is the nickname Dennis Markuze used, a Canadian citizen with whom I will not be associated with.
You can read about him in this link.
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Dr. Mabuse, Why reiterate when it's obvious what went on now.
Thread revision is routine. It can make everything look backwards. Thread revision added to a removal of a bad bit by the original poster would produce what I saw.
So is it better to change history, or to let all mistakes remain ?
I don't know, but I think revising is what happened.
Now as to your notion that H Humbert is not important to this ( because I have other marks against :
The thing of importance is that he provided the most level headed criticisms from your side ( if he is on your side ) To have flipped him off, would have been so stupid and I would have tried to fix that up if he thought it was an insult. That's the importance |
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 20:09:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by CRUX
Later, a revision takes place doing clean up. the revision removes extra space, some crap maybe or stray punctuations... |
Mab never suggested anything like that goes on. Nobody here ever "tidies up" like that, not for anyone else.| To an outsider, that would look like a different history. Who said what to whom in a back and forth exchange is partly reversed possibly, from how it looked last time, with some of it gone. |
No, that would be changing the content. We don't do that.| It could be a very unfortunate combo of circumstances that occurred to give a bad impression that was not really as bad as incorrect, logically, or methodologically, perhaps. |
Now you're just making shit up to save your own face.| Thread revision is routine. |
Bullshit.| It can make everything look backwards. |
Absolutely false.| Thread revision added to a removal of a bad bit by the original poster would produce what I saw. |
A complete fabrication.
Direct question, CRUX: did you post here as MuhammedGoldstein? |
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CRUX
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 20:11:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by CRUX
Later, a revision takes place doing clean up. the revision removes extra space, some crap maybe or stray punctuations... |
Mab never suggested anything like that goes on. Nobody here ever "tidies up" like that, not for anyone else.| To an outsider, that would look like a different history. Who said what to whom in a back and forth exchange is partly reversed possibly, from how it looked last time, with some of it gone. |
No, that would be changing the content. We don't do that.| It could be a very unfortunate combo of circumstances that occurred to give a bad impression that was not really as bad as incorrect, logically, or methodologically, perhaps. |
Now you're just making shit up to save your own face.| Thread revision is routine. |
Bullshit.| It can make everything look backwards. |
Absolutely false.| Thread revision added to a removal of a bad bit by the original poster would produce what I saw. |
A complete fabrication.
Direct question, CRUX: did you post here as MuhammedGoldstein?
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It's unfortunate that you react this way.
if you change a quotation box it would change what was there before. |
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CRUX
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 20:12:23 [Permalink]
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non admins are allowed in, to revise also ?
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Kil
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 20:13:19 [Permalink]
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CRUX:
Thread revision added to a removal of a bad bit by the original poster would produce what I saw. |
Well then.. Maybe it's time you apologies to Dave, Eh? You can see how you might have jumped to a very wrong conclusion. Right? A conclusion that no one else has ever jumped to on this forum.
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 20:15:24 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by CRUX
It's unfortunate that you react this way.
if you change a quotation box it would change what was there before. |
No, it would only change whether there's a box around something or not. It wouldn't - as you claimed - reverse anything. The only thing the [quote] tags do is put a blue box around text and indent it.
Direct question, CRUX: did you post here as MuhammedGoldstein? |
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Posted - 09/27/2011 : 20:25:39 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
CRUX:
Thread revision added to a removal of a bad bit by the original poster would produce what I saw. |
Well then.. Maybe it's time you apologies to Dave, Eh? You can see how you might have jumped to a very wrong conclusion. Right? A conclusion that no one else has ever jumped to on this forum.
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It might well be. Not at all that I JUMPED to any conclusion. Don't start with me, please.
You revise threads. Dave was the active one ( home bulldog in attack and controls issues).
If you confirm the revisions are very possible, then I will immediately apologize..to Dave ONLY. Not you guys. What happened did happen... and it seems to me that it was your team revising..not NECESSARILY Dave.
DO you agree that is possible ? I will START the apologizing, even though apologies are due to me as well.
Listen, Kil. get off your horse.
You see me as reasonable and conciliatory now and you should not abuse that. You should apologise. Your claim that no thread is ever revised was not true at all. You made mistakes and bad moves that also helped lead to this.
Are all mods allowed to revise ? When you confirm that indeed, your methodology can lead to appearances that are not correct, then it is confirmed possible, I would immediately apologize to Dave.
If you insist nothing gets altered ever, another explanation is needed
If you are the leader of boss, take that role and admit that it is possible to get a very different impression than the real history of how the postings looked like. It is now "corrected", different.
and all your correctors are not prefect every time.
This is it in a nutshell. If you say what I am saying, is IMPOSSIBLE, then another explanation is required. |
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