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 Posted - 09/29/2011 : 07:52:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by CRUX
The name is much like "denier" on internet. That is, the opposition is "denier". From Evolution beliefs that vary a bit from main, to Climate Science , "denier" signals opposition member who is by definition entirely evil, being compared to Holocaust deniers. |
This is a subject I'd love to discuss with you in another thread, provided you are not banned before that.
Which will happen quote soon if you don't get your shit together, man up, and apologise for your unsupported gross accusation that Dave W. have committed a serious ethics violation by revising an old locked thread by means of erasing and otherwise changing the contents of posts in order to make him not look "stupid".
The insult and injury is unacceptable, and demands unconditional apology.
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Scientology ? It feels like it ! I think there may be a few members who are not yet admin or stealth admin. Hold them tight.
What makes you think I want to talk to you ? You've shown that you have not acted properly - and do not even identify yourself as would be expected. Stealth mod ? |
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CRUX
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 07:57:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Valiant Dancer
CRUX,
No one else has put a time limit on providing the evidence.
I have.
Two days from now, if you do not provide that evidence, it is very likely that you will eat banhammer.
Kil seems pretty adamant that by the time he gets back from work if you haven't resolved anything (setting a date that you will present evidence, stopped flailing around avoiding the demands for evidence, blaming others instead of setting those goals) that he will feed you banhammer.
Keep dodging the requirement that you provide evidence of DaveW's alledged ethical violation.
I'll miss you.
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Or you will be punked by your superiors. |
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CRUX
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 08:17:16 [Permalink]
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Berkeley has been requested to give a response to the internet denial of their plain statement.
If teachers cannot get the message through, it is their concern.
How is it that of a group, not one will agree with Berkeley ?
The forum position is that I just cannot read what Berkeley is saying. Or that Berkeley101 is so basic, such an oversimplification...
I explained that the question had been primed and ignited by an annoyingly simple example: "If I get a haircut"
Once everyone was convinced that such a thing could not have a scientific name, and by Dave's insistence that you could not have a "speciation event" every time you have a heritable skin blemish and so on...
Once you were all convinced that the haircut thing was absurd, your minds could not change to accept Berkeley's plain statement. You were locked in like Scientologists on speed. Hate came quickly.
It's time to free up that brain lock
I'm not your enemy.
I will ask Berkeley, if they respond, to either send a teacher who would be able to engage minds like yours, or allow me to print the reply.
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CRUX
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 08:42:10 [Permalink]
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| Why don't you write in to Berkeley too ? Tell them your woes. Or maybe..you are just wishing that Berkeley did not exist. GO ahead. They don't bite. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 08:44:36 [Permalink]
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Ah, I see no hint that you will ever tell us when your analysis of the previous thread might be complete enough to share with us the changes you think were made to it after MuhammedGoldstein was banned.
I see no hint that you will confirm or deny being MuhammedGoldstein.Originally posted by CRUX
Berkeley has been requested to give a response to the internet denial of their plain statement. |
Who's denying it?| The forum position is that I just cannot read what Berkeley is saying. Or that Berkeley101 is so basic, such an oversimplification... |
Neither. You said, "The question asked was what causes a white flamingo to turn pink." You've been trying to make this about a different question, one which involves finding a single variable upon which the color change is dependent.Since you have accused me of a lack of basic integrity, yes you are. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
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CRUX
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 08:54:09 [Permalink]
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Oh, I don't think we need to go over more of your untruths,Dave. Berkeley will answer. The thread title is...
If you do not agree with their statements fully, you guys need help.
Or if you think that the poorer sites showing WHITE COCKATOOS vs White Flamingos are correct ..( the sites which make a general statement about "Genetics and environment make phenotype")...leading to a wrong impression...that every phenotype must be genetic, then you're toast.
If you agree with the white cockatoo comparison boys, then you disagree with Berkeley.
Although the poorer sites do not usually explicitly show disagreement , you've taken a position from their statement that is a misinterpretation. That is, unless those other sites are also by the ignorant - in that case you would have interpreted them correctly. |
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 08:56:43 [Permalink]
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Maybe you're going to start the move toward saying that you fully agree with my interpretation of Berkeley now.
Things change.
Are you sure you ever disagreed with me ?
I hope they send a teacher. |
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Kil
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 09:09:39 [Permalink]
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CRUX. Since I see no apology to Dave for your baseless accusation, and no evidence to support it, or even how long you would need to support that claim, and I told you yesterday that you needed to do something by the time I got home from work... Times up. Have a nice life. You are now banned from commenting on this forum.
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
Genetic Literacy Project |
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justintime
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 09:14:40 [Permalink]
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I recall the bragging by a ragland aka CRUX finding a flaw in a reputable publisher on phenotypes. Now that I am on SFN I can see where that originated from. If I also remember correctly Berkeley did not reply to raglands request. But his explanation. If they admitted to the mistake they would have to retract it across millions of copies.
That is the classical case of delusions of grandeur. He actually believes despite not having any background in science that his interpretation of the word phenotype is right and he agrees or disagrees with Berkeley based on which side of the debate he is on. AS MG he used it to prove "not encoded" meant no gene involvement so the coloring was a direct result of shrimp diet.
When the definition phenotype in context declares
phe·no·type
a. The observable physical or biochemical characteristics of an organism, as determined by both genetic makeup and environmental influences.
b. The expression of a specific trait, such as stature or blood type, based on genetic and environmental influences.
The definition explicitly makes the connection between genes and environment (gene+environment=phenotype). Here he find Berkeley in error because that was what DaveW and others applied as their understanding. But as I explained not encoded means there is no change in the DNA sequencing under consideration. So there is no contradiction in Berkeley's article....just CRUX poor understanding of phenotypes as well as taking the word out of context. Applying phenotype to hair cut is the other ridiculous example he uses. The guy is an illiterate and actually raised the same example in a slightly different way on another thread and was ridiculed and banned. |
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Kil
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 09:23:46 [Permalink]
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justintime:
The guy is an illeterate and actually raised the same example in a slightly different way on another thread and was ridiculed and banned. |
He wasn't banned here for his disagreement. He was banned because of an outrageous accusation against one of our staff. And if CRUX was MuhammedGoldstein, he didn't have posting privileges here anyhow.
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
Genetic Literacy Project |
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justintime
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 09:33:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
CRUX. Since I see no apology to Dave for your baseless accusation, and no evidence to support it, or even how long you would need to support that claim, and I told you yesterday that you needed to do something by the time I got home from work... Times up. Have a nice life. You are now banned from commenting on this forum.
Kil
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I support your decision Kil. When a person lacks intellectual integrity and is woefully inadequate. Then adds insult to injury by unsubstantiated accusations. There is only so much rational people can endure. Or our morbid interest in such deviant behavior should be reexamined.
I am against banning and support the idea of free speech but not a license to attack in a condescending, demeaning way people publicly with or without due justification.
And sorry DaveW I could not convince you about the paranormal. But you have it on record I did predict the outcome.  |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 12:26:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
Dr. Mabuse. Can you be a little more specific about "This is a subject". Are you referring to deniers of Climate Change the conspiracy behind ClimateGate. That should raise the bar from pink flamingos to global issues. If that is where you are going.
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CRUX see, to think that "denier" is a label which evolution believers (or climate change believers) put on the opposition because they think the opposition are evil.
There's a staggering amounts of wrong cramped up in that sentence.
First, that scientists are believers in evolution. As if it was something similar to religious belief. It's so wrong it's just outrageous.
Second, scientists and skeptics calls deniers of evolution and climate change "deniers" not because they are "our opposition" but because they are denying irrefutable evidence for evolution (and climate change).
Third, we don't consider "the opposition" evil because they are the opposition. We call those who deserve to be called evil, evil. Like Jenny McCarthy, who continues to use her influence to convince people that vaccine causes autism, dispite several investigations have concluded that there is no causal link between then, and even though the "doctor" who started the big vaccine-autism-scare have been exposed as a fraud. Now children are dying because their parents would rather listen to a celebrity rather than medical professionals. |
Dr. Mabuse - "When the going gets tough, the tough get Duct-tape..."
Dr. Mabuse whisper.mp3
"Equivocation is not just a job, for a creationist it's a way of life..." Dr. Mabuse
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Send them unarmed civilians for target practice..
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Fripp
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 12:29:37 [Permalink]
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| The CRUX of the biscuit is the apostrophe |
"What the hell is an Aluminum Falcon?"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought my Dark Lord of the Sith could protect a small thermal exhaust port that's only 2-meters wide! That thing wasn't even fully paid off yet! You have any idea what this is going to do to my credit?!?!"
"What? Oh, oh, 'just rebuild it'? Oh, real [bleep]ing original. And who's gonna give me a loan, jackhole? You? You got an ATM on that torso LiteBrite?" |
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justintime
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 14:42:26 [Permalink]
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I have been trying to reach ragland aka CRUX aka MG for several months. He is a denier only where Climate Change is concerned and has debated vociferously on a public forum over a year ago. Unfortunately he got stumped to explain Stephen McIntyre's statistical repudiation of Michael Mann's hockey stick controversy because he is not a technical person and did not understand statistic data. So he was discredited...you don't post something you have neither read or understood.
There are plenty of denier blogs and after the ClimateGate incident. It has provided plenty of fodder to the average conspiracy enthusiast. It is this fodder he is enamored with and serves him well because he is not alone. He does not have to think or deal with the complexities of climate change but can simply echo the sentiments of like minded deniers.
I have a problem with this. When something is not my specialty my 2 bit is probably worth even less. But if 2 bits is all people like CRUX has...then forums are the place to maximize and leverage it. (no offense intended to forum participants).
I like people like CRUX. He does make us think. I have tried to encourage this aspect of his contributions to forums. But dirty deed come cheap. If one is not willing to self educate or have the intellectual integrity to recognize one cannot interpret complex study with the basic educational foundation of a 6 grade. More study is required and a respect for the discipline that developed over time. There are no short cuts and one cannot logically deduce what took serious study to develop. But there are exception and skeptics can refute such iron clad claims. But we have to meet the same standard of proof that qualified them in the first place.
Why CRUX attacked skeptics I cannot answer. This would be the ideal platform for someone like him who has doubts and is free to articulate it without retribution or ridicule. After all skeptics are going against conventional wisdom. But at the same time not every dumb interpretation deserves merit. The basics have to be understood.
Do we have a 12 step program to qualify people as skeptics or to help them adjust when their addiction is counterproductive.
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jamalrapper
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| CRUX you dumb fuck. You knew SFN was after your ass. They got you on a technicality. They said you lied...they are all a bunch of cock sucking liars. Because I've been on this site and these assholes cannot tell if they are lying or not. But I am restricted from reminding them. The fucking blind leading the absurd. |
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