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justintime
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Posted - 09/28/2011 : 09:49:47 [Permalink]
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Kil I was hoping you would let CRUX stay a bit longer so I could introduce the real person behind the alias. What people have said about him on other forums. Why he does what he does and the psychological profile developed. It would be only proper to have him around so he can defend himself against those unflattering conclusions.
Since you plan to keep this thread open. It would be nice to keep all of CRUX aka MG aka ragland aka Select-0-Phene aka Nail...................records together.
How would that help on a Skeptic forum? It will teach us to be more skeptical and hone our instincts to flush out trolls sooner.
Delusional people like CRUX get their signals crossed ( cross-talk as in the old telephony systems). Not every one can pick up these erratic signals. But imagine if they could. We could have saved us a whole load of crap that transpired over the last few days. I provided a link to such research...but was shutdown. So we had to do it the old fashion way, post by post. Sorry DaveW I just had to stick that one in. ( Just kidding Kil..forget I even suggested this CRUX payback time .)
I am sure CRUX is a decent person but he has lost all reasons for being nice. Why he grovels in the dirt?
When one has been down for so goddamn long that it looks like up to him.
From Door's lyrics http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Been-Down-So-Long-lyrics-The-Doors/510E4D3CA7D2FBB8482568970032012D
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Posted - 09/28/2011 : 10:06:01 [Permalink]
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| As I understand, from Dr Mabuse's explanation, because of the set up here, there will be no possible way to identify who made any changes unless they made a note and signed, as he demonstrated he does. |
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CRUX,
No one else has put a time limit on providing the evidence.
I have.
Two days from now, if you do not provide that evidence, it is very likely that you will eat banhammer.
Kil seems pretty adamant that by the time he gets back from work if you haven't resolved anything (setting a date that you will present evidence, stopped flailing around avoiding the demands for evidence, blaming others instead of setting those goals) that he will feed you banhammer.
Keep dodging the requirement that you provide evidence of DaveW's alledged ethical violation.
I'll miss you. |
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Posted - 09/28/2011 : 10:09:59 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by CRUX
As I understand, from Dr Mabuse's explanation, because of the set up here, there will be no possible way to identify who made any changes unless they made a note and signed, as he demonstrated he does.
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Not true.
You glossed over the system edit stamp. The one the forum software generates and that people cannot change. |
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Posted - 09/28/2011 : 10:19:56 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by CRUX
As I understand, from Dr Mabuse's explanation, because of the set up here, there will be no possible way to identify who made any changes unless they made a note and signed, as he demonstrated he does. |
You haven't even pointed out a single change to the old thread, yet. It's a bit early to be talking about identifying who made a change when you haven't shown that a change occurred. |
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justintime
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Posted - 09/28/2011 : 10:49:16 [Permalink]
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I am getting some really bad vibes from those answers from CRUX. There is deep confusion and hyper cross-talk. I am afraid judging from the intensity of the signals. CRUX is convinced he is going to run out of time because he knows what he is requesting and what is being demanded of him are non existent. It is boiling down to taking his word for it. And since he has lost all credibility here the inevitability of the banning is closing in.
I know this cannot be used as evidence of his guilt. It is just a premonition of impending doom. I want to go on record for this. So should his banning be spared. I will accept I was wrong. |
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Posted - 09/28/2011 : 13:00:47 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
I am getting some really bad vibes from those answers from CRUX. There is deep confusion and hyper cross-talk. I am afraid judging from the intensity of the signals. CRUX is convinced he is going to run out of time because he knows what he is requesting and what is being demanded of him are non existent. It is boiling down to taking his word for it. And since he has lost all credibility here the inevitability of the banning is closing in.
I know this cannot be used as evidence of his guilt. It is just a premonition of impending doom. I want to go on record for this. So should his banning be spared. I will accept I was wrong.
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It's called pre-martyrdom.
He has a chance. He has a time limit to actually set a date that he will provide the evidence. I have placed a time limit of two days for him to provide evidence. (just one instance)
He can stop this entire process by admitting that he made a false accusation and apologizing to DaveW. If he complies with any of the three demands, he will be spared. No place I know of tolerates people accusing forum staff of malfesiance without evidence. It is usually grounds for immediate banning. |
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justintime
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Posted - 09/28/2011 : 13:55:22 [Permalink]
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I like that pre-martyrdom. But are you favoring process over predetermination. Meaning CRUX's actions will lead to (CRUX) banning but was that not predetermined. I revived a 3 year old thread to correct a fallacy, a misrepresentation of facts by a MohammadGoldstein. How did a dormant thread for 3 years which is a lifetime in our busy lives resurrect the ghost of MG in CRUX who happen to be the first to respond to my corrections only 3 days later.
I know CRUX is ragland.....I did not know for sure he was also MG. The only possible way this intuitive guess work can be validated is tied to the circumstantial evidence and similarity of style and substance of the two posters.
What was predetermined was CRUX's fall. He knew he had to respond to the several emails I sent to him challenging him to find fault with my assessment of his mental condition as Raglan. He did not respond. But he heard me and when I signed on SFN. He chose his waterloo. The site to do battle. That is predetermination. SFN was the remotest link in our destinies and yet it will be the deciding one.
I provided CRUX a martyrdom as a noble exit for CRUX. But the mastery of DaveW will reduce CRUX's fall to just a disingenuous corruption of facts. |
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Posted - 09/28/2011 : 15:43:17 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by CRUX
As I understand, from Dr Mabuse's explanation, because of the set up here, there will be no possible way to identify who made any changes unless they made a note and signed, as he demonstrated he does.
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Are you having reading/comprehension problems?
I told you that regardless of if I leave a red text note saying I was there, the forum software will still leave a size 1 black note saying "Edited by - Dr. Mabuse" just like every other posts of yours now finish with "Edited by - CRUX on...".
I explained that in this post.
Examine you post which I edited using this link.
Just scroll down to the bottom of you post and see that even if you disregard my red text there's a still a note in black saying I was there.
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Posted - 09/28/2011 : 16:30:01 [Permalink]
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Posted - 09/28/2011 : 17:02:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
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What people have said about him on other forums. Why he does what he does and the psychological profile developed.
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How would that help on a Skeptic forum? It will teach us to be more skeptical and hone our instincts to flush out trolls sooner.
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We do believe in clean slates, mostly.
With one exception: We work fairly close with Skepticality, in fact, I'm Admin at the Skepticality Forum. This means that if someone here gets banned, they semi-automatically gets banned over there too. And the other way around, someone gets banned over there get flagged here. |
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 05:45:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by justintime
I like that pre-martyrdom. But are you favoring process over predetermination. Meaning CRUX's actions will lead to (CRUX) banning but was that not predetermined. I revived a 3 year old thread to correct a fallacy, a misrepresentation of facts by a MohammadGoldstein. How did a dormant thread for 3 years which is a lifetime in our busy lives resurrect the ghost of MG in CRUX who happen to be the first to respond to my corrections only 3 days later.
I know CRUX is ragland.....I did not know for sure he was also MG. The only possible way this intuitive guess work can be validated is tied to the circumstantial evidence and similarity of style and substance of the two posters.
What was predetermined was CRUX's fall. He knew he had to respond to the several emails I sent to him challenging him to find fault with my assessment of his mental condition as Raglan. He did not respond. But he heard me and when I signed on SFN. He chose his waterloo. The site to do battle. That is predetermination. SFN was the remotest link in our destinies and yet it will be the deciding one.
I provided CRUX a martyrdom as a noble exit for CRUX. But the mastery of DaveW will reduce CRUX's fall to just a disingenuous corruption of facts.
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We give everyone a chance. CRUX made unfounded accusations against forum staff. That set the process in motion. He must provide evidence of an ethical breach by DaveW in one day or provide the date he will provide that evidence, or apologize to DaveW for baselessly accusing him of an ethical breach. Any of those three stops the process.
It takes a lot to get banned here. Dr. Mabuse is correct that Skepticality and SFN do share information on problem users and if someone gets banned from here they are usually banned over there and vice versa. I use the term "usually" because if the person isn't displaying the same abusive traits on one board, that board will allow them to continue to be a user. That situation is a rare case. |
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justintime
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 06:33:12 [Permalink]
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That is very noble. I did a quick lookup for Skepticality forum. Yes. the site exist. A quick scan did not reveal any unusual activity or controversial individuals who could have slipped under the radar of skepticality.
Should skeptics not be skeptical about naivety. Studies have shown attempts to rehabilitate, reform many forms of pathological disorders are met with very little success. Communities are demanding registry's be maintained of known violators introduced into their community because the true victims are the unsuspecting public.
This may not be a fair comparison because it does not rise to the level of criminality or does it? To return to the scene of the crime, to hide behind a new alias, to attack the very same people who discredited and banned his alter ego (MohammadGoldstein). Speaks of premeditation. First degree in scope.
To add insult to injury the vitriolic innuendos, frivolous badgering and amnesiac, anemic disjointed rebuttals. So many qualifiers to describe so little factual substance of relevance and so much time consumed on the absurd.
I hope this insanity is ending and the realm of the absurd does not devour any more skeptics. There are many more Quixote dragons to slay. |
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 06:39:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by CRUX
The name is much like "denier" on internet. That is, the opposition is "denier". From Evolution beliefs that vary a bit from main, to Climate Science , "denier" signals opposition member who is by definition entirely evil, being compared to Holocaust deniers. |
This is a subject I'd love to discuss with you in another thread, provided you are not banned before that.
Which will happen quote soon if you don't get your shit together, man up, and apologise for your unsupported gross accusation that Dave W. have committed a serious ethics violation by revising an old locked thread by means of erasing and otherwise changing the contents of posts in order to make him not look "stupid".
The insult and injury is unacceptable, and demands unconditional apology.
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justintime
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Posted - 09/29/2011 : 07:00:27 [Permalink]
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Dr. Mabuse. Can you be a little more specific about "This is a subject". Are you referring to deniers of Climate Change the conspiracy behind ClimateGate. That should raise the bar from pink flamingos to global issues. If that is where you are going.
CRUX is a denier of Climate Change so you might strike a chord in him and release his other obsession. ClimateGate.
It has been said. "Be careful what you wish for" |
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