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tomk80
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Originally posted by Dave W.
The ever-observant DaveScot says that McCain is doing well because PZ is a meanie:So thanks, Paul, for doing such a bang-up job associating Obama supporters and Palin bashers with enemies of the Catholic Church. With friends like you Obama doesn't need enemies!
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`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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filthy
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Posted - 09/09/2008 : 01:53:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
Originally posted by Dave W.
The ever-observant DaveScot says that McCain is doing well because PZ is a meanie:So thanks, Paul, for doing such a bang-up job associating Obama supporters and Palin bashers with enemies of the Catholic Church. With friends like you Obama doesn't need enemies!
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Yes, I noticed that after reading Dave's post and dropping by for a look. It came as little suprise; after all, this is the site of the bunch that ran like thieves from testifying at Dover, leaving poor, old Behe high & dry. I laughed 'till I puked over that one and I think they're trying to make us all snap our lunchs again. 
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astropin
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Posted - 09/10/2008 : 10:10:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
This is just one of the many reasons why I've decided that I need to speak out against religion in all its forms, from whack-job nuttery like the above all the way down to the most "liberal" of deists. The difference between the extremes is simply a matter of degree, not of kind, and that makes them all dangerous in my book.
I know we've had this discussion before, but I've been thinking. The issue tends to revolve around two points. One is that "we" (freethinkers or whatever we want to call ourselves) need the more-liberal theists to be on our side as far as legislation and other social policies go, just to gain a larger voting bloc than we would otherwise have alone. This is where the idiotic "framers" (like Chris Mooney) come in to tell us that being angry atheists will split us from our theistic friends who share the same goals, but the framers don't seem to have a lick of evidence to back up their assertions. The truth seems to be that the asshats who wish to legislate their own version of the Bible will be countered by other asshats who've got conflicting ideas about the Bible. Non-religious people are small enough in number now that we're surely not solely responsible for keeping the Ten Commandments out of public schools. Show of hands as to who thinks the Catholics would be just fine with public schools having lesson plans based upon Protestant theology... didn't think so.
Two is that we should, for some reason, respect other people's beliefs. I'll give complete strangers the same amount of respect for simply being human that I would hope they give me, and I'll add more as people demonstrate their individual respectability. Beliefs in crap? I should have no obligation to respect zany ideas, and so refuse to. And because it seems that the more nutty the belief, the more likely it is that individuals holding said belief will demand respect for it, I plan on disrepecting it by a proportional amount, openly and freely.
The most-liberal of deists, mentioned above? The ones who think that some god set up the universe and remained purposefully hidden since then? Theirs is a god that is simply irrelevant and an utter waste of time. Even if such ideas offer "comfort" or "purpose" to the people who hold them, they're misplaced in what should be a rational world. I'd much rather have people getting depressed instead of finding such false "comfort" because depression is treatable, whereas religion is not (yet).
Things can only get worse as beliefs climb the scale from the irrelevant to the whackaloony. According respect to the least harmless gives those who harbor more-harmful beliefs a standing they don't deserve. "See?" they ask, pointing to the most-sane of them, "not all religious people want to kill a guy for stealing a communion wafer!" Well, so what? That doesn't make their beliefs less irrational, it only makes them look less irrational by comparison.
It's like the child-rapist pointing to the child-fondler and screeching, "see, we're not all child murderers!" Give me a break.
It's time to take a stand, and oppose lunacy at every turn. We, the minority, get no substantive benefit from kowtowing to unreasonable beliefs, no matter how harmless they appear. To appease the least-dangerous among the irrational gives aid to all of the irrational.
Of course, this is not to say that I'm going to go throw buckets of goat's blood into my neighborhood church (my closest church actually meets in an elementary school, which is pretty bad on its own). I have no plans to even go so far as PZ says he's going to regarding the cracker. I'm a "tit for tat" kinda guy, and going overboard in response is simply needless antagonism (although the death threats surely deserve a rather large "tat," but it's gotta be directed at the right people). Simply put, people who expect me to even pay lip service to their beliefs are going to meet ridicule in response. People who try to put my secular tax dollars to work for the faithful (like Obama) will lose my support. Even people who begin a story with "so after church last Sunday" as if it should be a normal activity are going to be met with at least an eye-roll, if not a "why did you go to church?"
I'm sick of this nonsense. Holding my tongue increases my blood pressure and maintains a peace that will never, ever work in my favor. When a compromise is entirely a one-way benefit, it's not a compromise, it's rolling over. Screw that.
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I just came across this for the first time.....Dave....will you be my cult leader? 
In fact it inspired this statement - You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.  |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
Atheism:
The result of an unbiased and rational search for the truth.
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Dave W.
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Posted - 09/10/2008 : 11:42:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by astropin
I just came across this for the first time.....Dave....will you be my cult leader? |
Absolutely. You need to send me your registration fee, so after you convert all your assets to cash, I'll PM you with my PO Box address. Thanks.| In fact it inspired this statement - You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it. |
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Dave W.
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astropin
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Posted - 09/29/2008 : 19:57:13 [Permalink]
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Excellent!
Maybe we should have a eucharist desecration contest here? |
I would rather face a cold reality than delude myself with comforting fantasies.
You are free to believe what you want to believe and I am free to ridicule you for it.
Atheism:
The result of an unbiased and rational search for the truth.
Infinitus est numerus stultorum |
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Dave W.
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A Christian (Catholic) sense of proportion...
