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the_ignored
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Yeah, you heard me, it's NSFW. Why? Well, read on. The joke caused him to have his hissy fit is here. The joke was posted on Ray's blog here, though it's obvious that the avatar picture was changed.
What started this? A complaint by Ray about the avatar of one of the posters on his blog. If you read the relevant post as well as the more recent blog posts on "Raytractors" which I've just linked to, including the reactions on Ray's own blog after he complained, you'll see more reactions.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
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> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
Edited by - the_ignored on 09/22/2008 09:29:46
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 09/22/2008 : 11:00:16 [Permalink]
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Thin-skinned, ain't he?
Hell, it's his digs and it seeme to me that he could easily delete the avatar and tell the member to find something else or go without.
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
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Posted - 09/22/2008 : 11:20:30 [Permalink]
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Uncertainty may make you uncomfortable. Certainty makes you ridiculous.
Why not question something for a change?
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Simon
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Posted - 09/22/2008 : 15:22:27 [Permalink]
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Too bad nobody is providing links to the incriminated picture. Just too illustrate, ya know. I am not looking to ogle the good, I swear.
What was less funny, though was on the right of the blog.
You remember when a few weeks back he asked for the 'official' position of the atheists. Most people here said that he was just looking for material to quote mine and misrepresent...
You guys were right.
The Atheist Starter Kit
If you are a beginner atheist, there's a belief system you should embrace and a language you should learn, or you will find yourself in trouble. Here are ten suggestions for the novice:
1. Whenever you are presented with credible evidence for God's existence, call it a "straw man argument," or "circular reasoning." If something is quoted from somewhere, label it "quote mining."
2. When a Christian says that creation proves that there is a Creator, dismiss such common sense by saying "That's just the old watchmaker argument."
3. When you hear that you have everything to gain and nothing to lose (the pleasures of Heaven, and the endurance of Hell) by obeying the Gospel, say "That's just the old 'Pascal wager.'"
4. You can also deal with the "whoever looks on a woman to lust for her, has committed adultery with her already in his heart," by saying that there is no evidence that Jesus existed. None.
5. Believe that the Bible is full of mistakes, and actually says things like the world is flat. Do not read it for yourself. That is a big mistake. Instead, read, believe, and imitate Richard Dawkins. Learn and practice the use of big words. "Megalo-maniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully" is a good phrase to learn.
6. Say that you were once a genuine Christian, and that you found it to be false. (The cool thing about being an atheist is that you can lie through your teeth, because you believe that are no moral absolutes.) Additionally, if a Christian points out that this is impossible (simply due to the very definition of Christianity as one who knows the Lord), just reply "That's the 'no true Scotsman fallacy.'" PLEASE NOTE: It cannot be overly emphasized how learning and using these little phrases can help you feel secure in dismissing common sense.
7. Believe that nothing is 100% certain, except the theory of Darwinian evolution. Do not question it. Believe with all of your heart that there is credible scientific evidence for species-to-species transitional forms. When you make any argument, pat yourself on the back by concluding with "Man, are you busted!" That will make you feel good about yourself.
8. Deal with the threat of eternal punishment by saying that you don't believe in the existence of Hell. Then convince yourself that because you don't believe in something, it therefore doesn't exist. Don't follow that logic onto a railway line and an oncoming train.
9. Blame Christianity for the atrocities of the Roman Catholic church--when it tortured Christians through the Spanish Inquisition, imprisoned Galileo for his beliefs, or when it murdered Moslems in the Crusades.
10. Finally, keep in fellowship with other like-minded atheists who believe as you believe, and encourage each other in your beliefs. Build up your faith. Never doubt for a moment. Remember, the key to atheism is to be unreasonable. Fall back on that when you feel threatened. Think shallow, and keep telling yourself that you are intelligent. Remember, an atheist is someone who pretends there is no God. |
The guy is a lying insincere scumbag. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Siberia
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Posted - 09/24/2008 : 15:22:54 [Permalink]
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| Wow. That guy is no Christian. My mother is a Christian, Ray Comfort is not. Like... wow. The hatred, it oozes! |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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moakley
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 04:55:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
Too bad nobody is providing links to the incriminated picture. Just too illustrate, ya know. I am not looking to ogle the good, I swear.
The guy is a lying insincere scumbag.
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Projections of a desperate believer. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 05:23:28 [Permalink]
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I'm more stunned at this comment: A publisher wants me to write two books by December 15th.
What are they-- picture books?
I guess that to some extent, when creationists write their anti-evolution screeds, it's a lot of cut-and-paste. After all, their only piece of evidence-- the Bible-- hasn't really changed much. And their 'refutations' of evolution are the same debunked points that we've all seen time and again.
But two books in just a few months? On top of the rest of his obligations? (Note here that he's busy doing two lectures in the next few weeks, and here he's doing another a few weeks after that.)
Something smells fishy. |
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tomk80
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 05:28:11 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
Too bad nobody is providing links to the incriminated picture. Just too illustrate, ya know. I am not looking to ogle the good, I swear. |
Your wish is my command (at least, this seems to be the picture that Ray was upset about. Don't see anything indecent about it though). |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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tomk80
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 05:31:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
I'm more stunned at this comment: A publisher wants me to write two books by December 15th.
What are they-- picture books?
I guess that to some extent, when creationists write their anti-evolution screeds, it's a lot of cut-and-paste. After all, their only piece of evidence-- the Bible-- hasn't really changed much. And their 'refutations' of evolution are the same debunked points that we've all seen time and again.
But two books in just a few months? On top of the rest of his obligations? (Note here that he's busy doing two lectures in the next few weeks, and here he's doing another a few weeks after that.)
Something smells fishy.
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Nothing fishy about it, IMO. Ray Comfort is stupid and most of the population is stupid. So if you're a smart publisher, you can take a stupid person to write you a book that lots of stupid persons will buy, leading to lots of money for you. |
Tom
`Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'
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the_ignored
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 06:31:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
Originally posted by Simon
Too bad nobody is providing links to the incriminated picture. Just too illustrate, ya know. I am not looking to ogle the good, I swear. |
Your wish is my command (at least, this seems to be the picture that Ray was upset about. Don't see anything indecent about it though).
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That's what the picture was changed to afterwards, the first one had a bit more cleavage, though not much.
Here's something interesting though. It seems that one of Ray's former followers has gotten ticked off with him. He even warns some people to not go to an event Ray is holding. Just go through the comments in the linked posts and you'll see his comments ("Terry" and "L.W. sucks")
He mentions some of his falling out with Ray on his own blog.
Don't let them fool you, Christians at 'Atheist Central'!! Some of those comments there are from his staff. Paid to comment for Ray! YES! "Great Post Ray, keep up the Good Work!", and then they open up the blog to the atheist comments to bring a touch
of reality.
Some of those 'no profiles' are from paid staff, or volunteers with WOTM / LW.
Don't worry they will edit out what they don't like, block comments, and generally put on a "Dog and Pony Show" for anyone who reads the blog or website. Why?
The Money!!! |
Some good advice about this situation. If he (and I) are wrong, then we'd both need to apologize to Terry.
Edit: It seems at least one other person isn't too pleased with what Ray's doing, though for different reasons.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
>
> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
>
> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 07:51:38 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by tomk80
Nothing fishy about it, IMO. Ray Comfort is stupid and most of the population is stupid. So if you're a smart publisher, you can take a stupid person to write you a book that lots of stupid persons will buy, leading to lots of money for you. |
I'm not doubting that Comfort sells books. I'm just doubting the ability to write two books in such a short span of time! |
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Simon
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 08:44:05 [Permalink]
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Write two books is doable (and maybe one is a collection of blog entries or other already written materials) writting two good books; much more difficult.
But then, even written one good book would probably be impossible for Comfort; even if he spend all his life at it.
Well. Philip K. Dick wrote books at about this speed at some point. Of course; he was filling up on amphetamines at the time; but maybe Ray is taking some kind of stimulants? He often sounds like he is. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Siberia
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 09:07:25 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by tomk80
Nothing fishy about it, IMO. Ray Comfort is stupid and most of the population is stupid. So if you're a smart publisher, you can take a stupid person to write you a book that lots of stupid persons will buy, leading to lots of money for you. |
I'm not doubting that Comfort sells books. I'm just doubting the ability to write two books in such a short span of time!
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Never heard of NaNoWriMo, have you?
Except, NaNOWriMo is supposed to be a fun competition where your prize is nothing at all but the joy of doing it and the result is not supposed to be ready for publication.
NaNoWriMo also involves actual thinking, which I doubt Mr. Comfort needs much, all things considered...  |
"Why are you afraid of something you're not even sure exists?"
- The Kovenant, Via Negativa
"People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs."
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 10:25:08 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Cuneiformist
Originally posted by tomk80
Nothing fishy about it, IMO. Ray Comfort is stupid and most of the population is stupid. So if you're a smart publisher, you can take a stupid person to write you a book that lots of stupid persons will buy, leading to lots of money for you. |
I'm not doubting that Comfort sells books. I'm just doubting the ability to write two books in such a short span of time!
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Yeah, but he could just mean his deadline for these two books is coming up shortly. It doesn't mean he's just starting now. For all we know, he began these two books months ago and has them mostly finished.
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"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true." --Demosthenes
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool." --Richard P. Feynman
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Simon
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 12:05:16 [Permalink]
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Well; it was not long ago that he was asking for information from atheist; purportedly for a book he was writing.
Plus; it's funnier to imagine him as an pill gobbling prick shitting out rushed books at light-speed. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
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Ray Comfort threatens to close blog (NSFW)
