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Simon
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 Posted - 09/24/2008 : 14:35:43
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But the two candidates will issue a joint statement about the state of the economy and the bail-out.
I mean; sure, why not, if they think the current administration is so impotent that the future one matters more...
But then McPain asks to postpone the campaign and the debates.
Is it me, or is there absolutely no relationship between the crisis and the debate?
Except, maybe, that on the economy, Obama has been doing pretty good compared to McCain all last week and that the Republicans are afraid of a debate just now.
I guess, now the Republican will go and say: 'Look; McCain is back in Washington trying to fix things while Obama does not even stop campaigning!'...
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H. Humbert
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Posted - 09/24/2008 : 15:18:06 [Permalink]
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| I guess, now the Republican will go and say: 'Look; McCain is back in Washington trying to fix things while Obama does not even stop campaigning!' |
I liked Obama's response to that: "It's going to be part of the president's job to be able to deal with more than one thing at once."
Oh, snap!
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Chippewa
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Posted - 09/24/2008 : 18:21:21 [Permalink]
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Also, it appears Obama and McCain spoke by phone and agreed that they both issue a joint statement. When Obama hung up, McCain called a press conference and said he might postpone the debate in order to go to Washington to deal with the nation's economic crisis, (though his past and present record would indicate he was among those who embraced a free wheeling greedy Wall Street.) 
Obama appears to be much more presidential in this, being more at ease with facing the financial crisis as well as debating John McCain.
You can bet that McCain's people are already shooting the "Democrats are to blame" commercials - right in line with the observations within Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine"; McCheney-Bush's political co-opting of a potential economic disaster to push through radical pro-corporatist policies. |
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Zeked
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Posted - 09/24/2008 : 23:45:00 [Permalink]
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The Paulson bail out is absolutely the worst possible thing that could be done, and yet it will likely be done. History repeats. The Federal Reserve is at the heart of the problem, as they have been for every boom bust cycle. The way Bernake should appear tomorrow, is in an orange jumpsuit and shackles. He is a liar and the Federal Reserve is fully culpable in the current economic collapse.
McCain should not participate in any debates, ever. Same goes for Sarah. They have conceded they are too damn ignorant to deal with reality and should now leave the ticket now.
The Federal Reserve should be deactivate by Congress, investigated for criminal negligence and the FDIC should auction all MSBs as required. Gold reserves should be used to 100% back a new currency ASAP.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 05:58:43 [Permalink]
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| Re the debates-- word is that he's suggesting that they skip this one and then make it up in place of the VP debate. Which means, of course, that we won't really see Palin in a non-scripted event at all! (Unless you count those two softball interviews...) |
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Simon
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 08:46:06 [Permalink]
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Yeah; people mentioned that in the chat.
Nice sleight of hand from the Reps! I sure hope the media rip them to shred for that! |
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Dude
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 09:07:45 [Permalink]
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Zeked said:
The Paulson bail out is absolutely the worst possible thing that could be done, and yet it will likely be done. History repeats. The Federal Reserve is at the heart of the problem, as they have been for every boom bust cycle. The way Bernake should appear tomorrow, is in an orange jumpsuit and shackles. He is a liar and the Federal Reserve is fully culpable in the current economic collapse.
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Zeked, I happen to agree with you. Add the revocation of the corporate charters for the banks who initiated this mess, and criminal charges for their corporate officers (the ones who ignored what little regulation there was left), and the impeachment of the elected officials (with possible trial) responsible for oversight... then I'd be satisfied.
As for McCain: He knows he is getting destroyed in the debates, he knows Palin will look like the rube she is... so he'll do anything to avoid them.
Obama's response is on the money. A pres has to be able to multitask.
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Simon
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 11:21:05 [Permalink]
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Let just hope that the media pick up on that rather than just overlook it.
They might; after all, they already invested time and money in Friday's debate and might not be happy at their many arrangements being render useless at the last minute. Fuck; that's pretty rude to them, for one thing. |
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astropin
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 12:01:37 [Permalink]
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This is really unbefuckingbelievable. McCain wants to suspend his campaign to deal with the Financial Crisis!!!! AND SKIP THE DEBATE!.
This can't look good to ANYONE....can it? |
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Simon
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 12:06:23 [Permalink]
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Who knows?
The Rep will definitively give it a spin like 'the good patriot that puts his own campaign in danger to help with the economy...'
On a (semi)related not. As filthy noted; he recently hired an ultra-expensive make up artist.
Hope the democrats will capitalize on it... Unless Barack's get even more than $5000 a session; who knows? |
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Randy
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 14:17:35 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by astropin
This is really unbefuckingbelievable. McCain wants to suspend his campaign to deal with the Financial Crisis!!!! AND SKIP THE DEBATE!.
This can't look good to ANYONE....can it?
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Obama can fix the U.S. economy and chew gum at the same time.
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moakley
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Posted - 09/25/2008 : 16:42:18 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by astropin
This is really unbefuckingbelievable. McCain wants to suspend his campaign to deal with the Financial Crisis!!!! AND SKIP THE DEBATE!.
This can't look good to ANYONE....can it?
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Not to belabor the point, but sure it can. “I'll try to find you some, and I'll bring them to you.”
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Simon
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Posted - 09/26/2008 : 09:43:58 [Permalink]
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Ok; apparently; McCain changed his position and the debate is going to happen.
A bit indecisive is he? |
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 09/26/2008 : 10:01:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
Ok; apparently; McCain changed his position and the debate is going to happen.
A bit indecisive is he? |
Yeah. He's really looking bad. I hope the press really calls him out for this. His campaign was "suspended in name only. He said he wouldn't debate until a bail-out (or whatever) was a done deal. But he's ow saying he's going to debate even though there is no done deal.
And really-- what was he going to do? He isn't even on the committees that oversee such things as banking. And he's admitted to not knowing much about the economy. What did he really expect to do?
All he's really managed to do is piss off Letterman. |
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Simon
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Posted - 09/26/2008 : 10:18:54 [Permalink]
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Yeah; I was thinking about posting that.
He only cancelled the campaign the time of the Letterman interview...
My guess would be that the poll were going down and that they were afraid of a debate that'd focus on the economy; Obama's strongest point in front of McCain as well as of a debate between Palin and Biden.
They tried to pull a (rather desperate) fast one to solve both their problems at the same time but quickly realized that it was not going to work.
It did not look good. The media did not like it and Friday debate was going to become a two hours ad by and for Obama.
So; they back-pedalled on the issue.
In my opinion; the whole thing was poorly executed and its going to leave marks.
I wonder; the change of strategy is so abrupt that I would not be surprised if McCain's campaign changed hands at some point. If one of his main strategists fell from grace and got replaced... |
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moakley
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Posted - 09/26/2008 : 10:22:54 [Permalink]
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Economic ineptness, gut reactions, and the foibles of Babbler Palin. Why is this election still close?  |
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I don't know what it has to do with anything...
