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MarcesBlack
New Member
USA
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 Posted - 02/04/2009 : 07:16:36
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Let me start this off by asking everyone to breath in,
Now breath out
Breath in optimistic views about "classical physics"
Breath out all the over-excited frat boy hi-fives of agreement about Blacklight Power....
Alright SO, I think this would be a good point in Randell Mills progress to stop and take another look at the events of the last few years. I realize that Blacklight Power (seeeemmms) to be a cold fusion scam mixed with a paradigm shifting proposal served with fruad fritos but I would like to pick apart some of the newest details in this ... case. Just for asthetic reasons lets not file it under psuedoscience because it makes sort of an unreasonably negative statement. Please review this http://nextbigfuture.com/2008/10/rowan-university-study-of-blacklight.html
Now before you ask if Rowan university is one of Blacklight Power's super secret conspiracy cohorts like those crackpots at NASA remember this, Blacklight Power has accepted no new funding or new investors and has already licensed his reactors to a few new companies (Farmers' Elecetric Cooperative Inc, Of New Mexico) Might I add they support over 4,200 miles of lines and even if you're the theoretical Devil himself you cant power that many lines with Scam Jam Pie.
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Edited by - MarcesBlack on 02/04/2009 07:22:49
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MarcesBlack
New Member
USA
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2009 : 07:49:38 [Permalink]
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The Farmer's Electric Cooperative, Inc. of New Mexico itself doesn't seem to be aware of their use of the Blacklight Power's marvelous, laws-of-physics-defying, quantum breakthrough power source. Either that, or they're hiding the secret deep in the Web site. (Oddly like another New Mexico power outfit, Estacado Energy Services, a subsidiary of the Roosevelt County Electric Cooperative, which Blackllight claims is interested, but also seems to be either unaware of the deal, or ashamed to admit they've been had.
The Blacklight thingie is fairly familiar here, and, from the Wiki link you gave, seems to be a very productive (in terms of investment money) hoax. Are you promoting Blacklight, MarcesBlack, or are you simply presenting it for derision?
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
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| Edited by - HalfMooner on 02/04/2009 07:53:07 |
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MarcesBlack
New Member
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2009 : 08:11:02 [Permalink]
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Hmm it seems sort of odd that Blacklight Power Inc. has posted what I think they consider to be high-priority press releases on their site. The Farmers' Electric Cooperative, Inc. Of New Mexico seemed to be aware or at least I hope they have seen this http://blacklightpower.com/press.shtml
I would just like to put Blacklight On the chopping block one more time (especially with their site boasting deadlines in a matter on months) and see if we cant cut a little closer to the head.
Im also hoping that with full sized reactor prototypes due by the end of the year im sure the topic will develop one way or the other soon so, its kinda like last call skeptics. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2009 : 08:35:59 [Permalink]
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Well, they boast that they've raised $50 million in investments, so that alone does make Blacklight a big deal.
Now that they are claiming to have a prototype power generator capable of outputting 50 KW, it's certainly getting to "show-me" time. I'm sure this is a criminal scam, and that it will collapse very soon, like the "Orbo" did. Funny, how stuff that violates conservation of mass and energy alway fails in the end.
Again MarcesBlack, are you a Blacklight promoter, detractor... or what?
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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MarcesBlack
New Member
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2009 : 08:42:22 [Permalink]
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Im a skeptic, I would realy like this to be a real functioning process to help push our civilization to another level of advancement. Right now things are looking good for Blacklight at least... on the surface. Without over-analysis into the agenda of a man like Randell Mills or any suspicious nature in their theories I see promise of future advancements through this technology. Although some of his ideas do make me skeptical, along with the hangman style of research, tie the rope, invite everyone to watch, wrap the neck and hope he can support the evidence with the theory or he just might end up dead.
I was sort of hoping for some convincing arguements on the subject either way and maybe help me settle the internal struggle of faith in Randell Mills against faith in science. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2009 : 08:59:36 [Permalink]
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Well, I myself was overly hopeful about EEStor's supercapacitor. But even then, I was never fully convinced. And that was just an energy storage device that wouldn't have violated any laws of physics, with little if any typical crank or hoax trappings.
Randell L. Mills and Blacklight are transmitting most if not all of the warning signs of woo and of scams. The very principle of operation is based upon a concept that physical science rejects. Essentially, if it's not flatly impossible, it's the next best thing. I don't think Mills is a crank, I think he's a con man.
I certainly hope you've not invested either money or very much hope in Blacklight. Investing in Bernard Madoff's $50,000,000,000 Ponzi scheme would literally have been a better bet, if you got out on time.
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“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2009 : 11:57:14 [Permalink]
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Dr. Peter Jansson says,In the large reactor - what Blacklight calls their 50-kilowatt reactor - we're regularly producing over a megajoule, which is a million joules of energy. That's equivalent to having a 40-watt lightbulb being on for nearly seven-and-a-half hours. Joules = watts × seconds, and 1,000,000 = 40 × 25,000, and 25,000 seconds = six hours, 56 minutes and 40 seconds, so he's off by a bit to begin with (flagrant inaccuracies do not bode well). But 40 watts is nowhere near 50,000 watts, so why isn't this guy as unimpressed as I am?
From 1:21 to 2:32, Dr. Jansson talks about what he's doing, converting "Blacklight powder" into heat, and then measuring the heat. They're putting between 1 and 1.5 kg of Blacklight powder into the "large reactor," and he claims they're measuring the input and output with almost 100% accuracy. Let's assume 100% accuracy. Let's also assume the least amount of material ('cause that's better). So 1 kg provides a million joules over-and-above what they pump into the thing. But if we turned that kilogram of mass into energy directly, we would get 8.9876×1016 joules out of it, or about 90 billion times more energy. A kilogram of U-235 in a nuclear power plant releases 88 million times as much energy. Gasoline produces over 44 times as much energy. A kilo of thermite delivers four times as much.
A dried cowpatty can produce over 15 times as much energy as "Blacklight powder." Again: I'm not impressed, but Dr. Jansson calls it "a very large heat burst."
Now at 4:53, Dr. Jansson just gets downright weird:It produces heat like you would expect a chemical... coal combustion, oil combustion or nuclear reactor, but if you actually look at the chemistry before and after, there's no significant way that we can tell what chemical reaction occured. What the hell does that mean? Is he saying that it doesn't look like any reaction occured (which would, indeed, be significant!), or is he saying that his group just can't figure out which specific reactions occured (which just means they're not trying hard enough)?
At about 5:26, Mills himself claims that the tests confirm that he's got "a new source of energy, that's working now at commercial levels of power..." From what's been seen in the film so far, though, that's just a crock. "We can't tell what's reacted" is not equivalent to "this is a new source of power."
And even if we agree that internal combustion engines are only 25% efficient, it still means that an automobile delivers an order of magnitude more energy per kilogram at the wheels than does "Blacklight powder." But that's a massively unfair comparison, to gasoline. By "25% efficient," we mean that 75% of the energy stored in the gasoline escapes as wasted heat, but the testing that Dr. Jansson did only measured the total heat produced. From the film, it doesn't look like he ever tried to use the energy produced to do any work. What they've got is a heat generator, and nothing more. To get power out of it, they need to use the heat to do something (like boil water, steam-engine style). If they've done this (ever!) I haven't seen it, but it really doesn't matter. Blacklight isn't laying claim to some new heat-to-power conversion system, they're claiming that their method to generate the heat is new.
It may be new, but clearly it sucks when its energy density is compared to technologies that have been around for many, many years.
Back to Dr. Jansson again. At around 5:47, he's saying that they've "demonstrated a heat burst of very high magnitude" (compared to what?), "which has no other conventional explanation" (other than what?). These claims are meaningless without context, and the film's creators either left that context on the cutting-room floor or never wrote it into the script. The rest of the video is just more context-free claims from Dr. Jansson and Mills.
And to prove just how dedicated the Blacklight people are to putting out a quality product, the last one minute and 44 seconds of the documentary is just a black screen.
The overall take-home message: Blacklight can deliver 7% as much energy as is stored in camel turds. What more needs to be examined before concluding that their claims of revolutionizing the power industry are completely bogus? |
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