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the_ignored
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 Posted - 03/26/2009 : 07:52:59
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I had gone for days without any postings on any of those religous blogs or boards, only now, this woman had to go and say something so stupid I just had to reply. Naturally, her husband, "emram" is taking her side. He is trying to give me an attitude adjustment, I guess.
Good luck.
Here is the text of my reply to him, just in case it doesn't get published, though aquaria said it better, and more succintly.
emram said...
Reynold,
Are you saying that theistic scientists that teach at all the major universities, have Ph.D.'s, like Guillermo Gonzalez from Iowa (who's research has led to the discovery of planets) are ignorant?
Only when, like Gonzalez, they let their religious beliefs guide them instead of scientific curiosity, then yes. Some theistic scientists in ages past like Galileo who had actual curiosity about the world, no.
Though on the bright side, you people can ride on the coat-tails of those guys to try to make the current crop of ID/creationist do-nothings look repectable.
Uh uh. Not unless you actually do the work.
Speaking of which, you may want to look at your hero Gonzales a bit more carefully, at the Expelled Exposed site, the The Truth behind the Fiction section about Gonzales. The man's scientific output fell once he got into that "intelligent design" hooey. Read this paragraph and the ones preceding it. Please note who wrote that about him.
That even Gonzalez's former academic advisors expressed doubts about his performance at ISU suggests that this is a serious issue. It is worth noting that the decline in his publication rate corresponds to the time when he started putting time into an intelligent design project that has produced no peer-reviewed results. This includes his work on The Privileged Planet and his collaboration with old-earth creationist Hugh Ross from the ministry Reasons to Believe
Are you smarter than he is? We ask more fundamental questions.
It's nothing to do with intelligence, but ignorance. Like what you're demonstrating, again.
You say you ask "more fundamental questions" while ignoring the fact that scientists are themselves asking those same kinds of questions, like what was there before the big bang, etc? Then you go and ignore the fact that you do not ask the "more fundamental question" about what was there before your "god".
In reality, you people do NOT ask the more fundamental questions, at least not of yourselves, unlike actual scientists.
My statement about your willfull ignorance stands.
The truth is that atheistic worldviews are nonsense because they have no infinite reference point for predication, period.
What? No "infinite reference" point? What is that gobbledygook? Are you trying to say that atheism is nonsense because you don't have some outside father figure to guide you or something? I hope not, because that'd be stupid.
Here: an idea is nonsense or not based on whether there is evidence to back it up.
Please tell why we should care to be honest about scientific discovery and research? Why should we care whether or not we are ignorant about the universe? Are you saying there is purpose in this chance universe? Please try answering these without relying on Biblical principles to do so. I do not believe you can do it.
Why should I have to? All you're saying is that you NEED some "god" to exist in order for anything to have meaning. How pathetic. That's your problem; don't project it onto others.
If something is true, it's true not because it gives us "meaning", or "hope" or makes us feel good, but rather by the evidence for it. All you're doing is playing on people's emotions. Sorry. No workee.
Atheists don't need to have a "god" looking out for us for our lives to have meaning. We make it ourselves. For example, through our children, families, etc.
Or even just the thrill of scientific discovery, ie. learning something new, which is something you obviously don't care for at all judging by your last statement.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
Edited by - the_ignored on 03/26/2009 08:12:22
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Godammit, I thought I was out…
