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Saga
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 Posted - 08/14/2009 : 10:16:40
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As I browsed you forums, delighted with wonder and awe of interesting and mind churning topics, I thought to myself:
"Gee, I sure wish I could contribute in some way"
The World (TM) took a step forward, boldly exclaiming! "No prob! Here you go!" and presented me with this bullshit.
| (CNN) -- The Philadelphia Eagles welcomed Michael Vick back into the National Football League on Friday after the quarterback spent almost two years in federal prison on a felony dogfighting conviction. |
It's good to know that morals and ethics can be bought away like that. I suppose as an impressionable teenager I should keep that in mind whenever I might get in trouble. Mike Vick sure is an awesome role model!
| The NFL reinstated Vick on a conditional basis last month. Vick "will be considered for full reinstatement and to play in regular-season games by Week 6 based on the progress he makes in his transition plan," the league said in a statement last month. |
Get out of jail free card anyone?
You can call me a bleeding hippie, but what that guy did was implorable! I'd understand him being let back in if he had sort of ignored the dogs to the point of them being emaciated (you know, the stuff you see in EVERY Animal Cops on Animal Planet) but he took deliberate, ACTIVE part in not only brutally fighting those dogs but killing them in INCREDIBLY inhumane ways.
Ffffff, sorry about this. I'm fuming hard.
Vick also claims that he's learned his lesson and he wants to help now. I don't believe that for a minute.
While I'm sure he will do what he's saying, I believe it is only because it's for saving his own skin and not the dogs.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/14/2009 : 10:32:12 [Permalink]
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Me, I'd like to see him make a fat donation to the ASPCA or some other organization that promotes animal welfare. Having done wildlife rescue and rehab, I know that $$ are always in short supply and appreciated.
Might help make up for for it.
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Fani
New Member
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Posted - 08/14/2009 : 10:49:13 [Permalink]
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There were quite a few football fans that didn't even think he should go to jail in the first place. I don't know WTF is up with people and their sports heroes; it's like they are demigods who can do no wrong - including killing people.
Of course he regrets it now that he's been caught but anyone who can take a dog who is (literally) the best friend you can have and torture them to death for ANY reason but especially for money reveals a person who is just plain sick.
If I believed in hell I would wish him to rot there but instead he will go back to a life of fame and fortune. |
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Saga
New Member
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Posted - 08/14/2009 : 11:02:34 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by filthy
Me, I'd like to see him make a fat donation to the ASPCA or some other organization that promotes animal welfare. Having done wildlife rescue and rehab, I know that $$ are always in short supply and appreciated.
Might help make up for for it.
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This is true. And he's got enough money for sure. |
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BigPapaSmurf
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 08/14/2009 : 11:11:57 [Permalink]
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Vick's actions are deplorable but you need to get over it, I think the Dante Stallworth issue is far worse than this. Stallworth killed a man while drunk driving and served less than a month after paying off the family. He does have an extensive house arrest at his mansion however. At least the NFL has more balls than the Justice system, they suspended him for a year.
Ray Lewis shot his limo driver in the head with a shotgun and got 12 months probation.
Vick served 23 months in Federal prison and lost at least 50 Million dollars in earnings, he lost two seasons plus five games this year and will be infamous and detested the rest of his life. He "paid his debt" far more than most folks do. I think its a big mistake to hire him and I wont be rooting for the Eagles.(and neither will many long time Eagles fans who love dogs) |
"...things I have neither seen nor experienced nor heard tell of from anybody else; things, what is more, that do not in fact exist and could not ever exist at all. So my readers must not believe a word I say." -Lucian on his book True History
"...They accept such things on faith alone, without any evidence. So if a fraudulent and cunning person who knows how to take advantage of a situation comes among them, he can make himself rich in a short time." -Lucian critical of early Christians c.166 AD From his book, De Morte Peregrini |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2009 : 11:28:19 [Permalink]
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| I think only the most pure among us should be paid large sums of money to beat the hell out of themselves and other adults in ways that humans weren't built to take and that will cause permanent damage. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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bngbuck
SFN Addict
USA
2437 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2009 : 12:24:43 [Permalink]
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I recently suggested on another forum that a very hungry Vick be contained in a pen with a pack of very hungry wolves.
If Vick managed to digest a wolf and deal with the rest of the pack, take what remains of him immediately back to America's Roman Coliseums to get the living shit kicked out of him in America's Gladiatorial Games. Weekdays would be spent in prison bent over and strapped to a rape stand.
If the wolfpack collectively digested Vick; well, good riddance of particularly odius garbage, good nutrition for starving wildlife, and a notably appropriate canine final solution to the Vick Problem!
Here's one liberal who believes in suspiciously Cheney-like solutions to social problems, but hell, if you can't get rid of 'em, copy them! |
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Saga
New Member
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Posted - 08/14/2009 : 12:54:48 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
Vick's actions are deplorable but you need to get over it, I think the Dante Stallworth issue is far worse than this. Stallworth killed a man while drunk driving and served less than a month after paying off the family. He does have an extensive house arrest at his mansion however. At least the NFL has more balls than the Justice system, they suspended him for a year.
Ray Lewis shot his limo driver in the head with a shotgun and got 12 months probation.
Vick served 23 months in Federal prison and lost at least 50 Million dollars in earnings, he lost two seasons plus five games this year and will be infamous and detested the rest of his life. He "paid his debt" far more than most folks do. I think its a big mistake to hire him and I wont be rooting for the Eagles.(and neither will many long time Eagles fans who love dogs)
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While of course these cases are FAR more serious, it fall under the same hat. "Oh you're rich and famous, move along then." Only difference is (besides severity) is that Vick is in the news atmo.
It just pisses me off that people can basically do whatever they please because they have a fan following...
On the other hand you are probably right, because I don't think this will ever change. :c |
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
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Posted - 08/14/2009 : 13:35:55 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Saga
While of course these cases are FAR more serious, it fall under the same hat. "Oh you're rich and famous, move along then." Only difference is (besides severity) is that Vick is in the news atmo.
It just pisses me off that people can basically do whatever they please because they have a fan following... |
Well, no. I think the question is whether Vick got off easy at all. I'm not familiar with the animal cruelty laws, so has Vick faced the same penalty that any no-name dog-fighter would have? If so, then fair-is-fair and Vick has paid his debt to society.
If, on the other hand, you are arguing that the animal cruetly laws need to be made much more harsh, that's a whole different question which doesn't revolve around Vick's fame at all. |
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Kil
Evil Skeptic
USA
13477 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2009 : 13:43:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
I think only the most pure among us should be paid large sums of money to beat the hell out of themselves and other adults in ways that humans weren't built to take and that will cause permanent damage.
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I agree. The staff at SFN should get paid a whole lot more!
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Saga
New Member
13 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2009 : 14:11:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Saga
While of course these cases are FAR more serious, it fall under the same hat. "Oh you're rich and famous, move along then." Only difference is (besides severity) is that Vick is in the news atmo.
It just pisses me off that people can basically do whatever they please because they have a fan following... |
Well, no. I think the question is whether Vick got off easy at all. I'm not familiar with the animal cruelty laws, so has Vick faced the same penalty that any no-name dog-fighter would have? If so, then fair-is-fair and Vick has paid his debt to society.
If, on the other hand, you are arguing that the animal cruetly laws need to be made much more harsh, that's a whole different question which doesn't revolve around Vick's fame at all.
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No, I don't mean to argue that he got off scott free, but the fact that this doesn't seem to have any repercussions for his status as a public person. He got accepted into football again, right after comin out. |
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astropin
SFN Regular
USA
970 Posts |
Posted - 08/14/2009 : 14:33:57 [Permalink]
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This is a little tougher than its face value.
Vick was raised in an atmosphere of fighting and being brutal to dogs. He was totally desensitized and frankly probably never gave it much thought.
Does that make it okay? Of course not. But he certainly did not get off scott free. He lost virtually all of his money and he spent 2 years in prison. He will be hounded by PETA and others for the rest of his life.
Did he learn from all of this? Who knows, he says he has and I think it's ok to give him the benefit of the doubt until he shows otherwise.
I'm not a fan....but I think I could give him a shot at redemption.
And yes I am an animal lover.
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Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
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Posted - 08/14/2009 : 15:17:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Saga
No, I don't mean to argue that he got off scott free, but the fact that this doesn't seem to have any repercussions for his status as a public person. He got accepted into football again, right after comin out. |
Well, that only means that he can still get people to buy tickets. What more should the NFL have done? It's not like he was hosting dogfights in the locker rooms during games, or feeding his dogs with the bodies of NFL waterboys.
Think about it this way: he's going to be hounded by animal-rights activists for the rest of his life, and even when he's 80 years old, he'll be so closely watched by dogged reporters that he won't be able to buy anyone in his family a dog as a pet. Even though they'll be barking up the wrong tree, people will whine if people close to Vick buy their own dogs with their own money. It's a leash he's not going to be able to shake off. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 01:13:32 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Kil
Originally posted by Gorgo
I think only the most pure among us should be paid large sums of money to beat the hell out of themselves and other adults in ways that humans weren't built to take and that will cause permanent damage.
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I agree. The staff at SFN should get paid a whole lot more!
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I vote for your raise every year, but this year I'd like to see the SFN kennels before I vote this year. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 08/15/2009 : 01:26:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
I vote for your raise every year, but this year I'd like to see the SFN kennels before I vote this year. |
These are the SFN kennels.
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 08/15/2009 : 07:33:14 [Permalink]
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| Well, stop that. Your nose is cold. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
But it's alright-
Jerry Garcia
Robert Hunter
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Unbelievable!
