|
|
|
Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
 Posted - 09/02/2009 : 12:30:33 [Permalink]
|
Originally posted by Robb
Don't try to lay this crap on me. |
I'm not laying it on you, I laid it on Daily Paul and Michelle Malkin.| All I want is a transcipt of the speech beforehand. Is that too much to ask? I said that I have no problem with him giving a citizen type speech, I would just like to be sure that's what it is. |
Do you ask for copies of everything your kids will be exposed to, prior to them being exposed to it? Do you read their textbooks before the school year begins?
Why is Obama's speech special, aside from the fact that no other President has done this before? More importantly, why do you repeatedly imply that the President is lying about what the speech will be about? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
 |
|
|
Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 12:31:11 [Permalink]
|
Originally posted by Robb
I know everything my school teaches my children, why should this be different? |
So you did read the textbooks before they were issued to your children. I see. |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
|
|
|
HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
15831 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 12:40:59 [Permalink]
|
Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Robb. You really need to pause for a moment and take a deep breath.
Don't let the crazy, fear-mongering wingnuts make you paranoid, too. Barack Obama is President of the United States by virtue of having been overwhelmingly, democratically elected to the post less than a year ago. Barack Obama was not foisted upon the American people by a putsch. Also, he's not Michael Jackson, so the kids are safe that sense, too.
There is no need to think that his little pep talk to school kids is going to do them any damage. Watch it and see for yourself.
|
I am not freaking out. All I want is a transcript beforehand. I know everything my school teaches my children, why should this be different?
|
You see, that is freaking out, to the tune played by the right-wing paranoids like Malkin and Paul. They are pulling your strings and pushing your buttons, as shown by your link. When did George W's Democratic opposition ever demand any of his speech scripts in advance? Do you want prior censorship of the President? Would you stand for such a thing yourself?
You really are smarter than this. You need to gather your wits and avoid falling prey to this strange tide of rear-guard reaction.
|
“Biology is just physics that has begun to smell bad.” —HalfMooner
Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
| Edited by - HalfMooner on 09/02/2009 12:44:59 |
|
|
|
Simon
SFN Regular
USA
1992 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 13:02:40 [Permalink]
|
Originally posted by Robb
I am not freaking out. All I want is a transcript beforehand. I know everything my school teaches my children, why should this be different?
|
Interesting.
You know, other presidents did go and meet school children before.
I remember that's where Bush actually was when the attack of 9/11 became public.
Obama's speech is not much different from that.
I don't remember anybody's panties getting in a twist over that either, so, I have to ask, what is it with Obama that automatically makes him suspicious?
There is an easy answer, of course, but you'll not like it, so ask the question, honestly, to yourself. |
Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
Carl Sagan - 1996 |
|
|
|
Robb
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 13:05:45 [Permalink]
|
Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Robb
I know everything my school teaches my children, why should this be different? |
So you did read the textbooks before they were issued to your children. I see.
|
No. But I do look at the books in the classroom, talk to friends that have older children, talk to the teacher about lesson plans, review my childrens homework, ask them about what they learned and my wife helps the teacher's during the day a couple times a week among other things.
All I am doing is being a responsible parent, making sure they are getting a good education. I plan on letting my kids watch the speech if the school airs it during the day. I think it is a good idea as long as he stays away from political issues. If he does, great. But the President has been shown to be a liar like most politicians.
Also recruiting children is nothing new:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/kidshome |
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington |
| Edited by - Robb on 09/02/2009 13:10:23 |
|
|
|
Robb
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 13:13:26 [Permalink]
|
Originally posted by marfknox
If Bush had wanted to give a speech to children which would be broadcasted during the school day all over the nation and I had kids in schools, I wouldn't have worried about it. Hell, I would have seen it as an opportunity to talk to kids about politics. If public servants address children, maybe by the time these kids are voting age they'll actually have some inkling of what's going on in the world and an interest in voting, attending town meetings, writing letters, and otherwise involving themselves in our democracy. |
Right, If Cheney was going to talk to your kids during school without you there, you wouldn't care what he was going to say? Sorry if I am skeptical of that.
|
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington |
|
|
|
Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 13:14:45 [Permalink]
|
Originally posted by Robb
All I am doing is being a responsible parent, making sure they are getting a good education. I plan on letting my kids watch the speech if the school airs it during the day. I think it is a good idea as long as he stays away from political issues. If he does, great. |
Education is a political issue.| But the President has been shown to be a liar like most politicians. |
Just like the school board members and others who direct your childrens' education. What makes Obama different? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
|
|
|
Robb
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 13:23:23 [Permalink]
|
Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Robb
All I am doing is being a responsible parent, making sure they are getting a good education. I plan on letting my kids watch the speech if the school airs it during the day. I think it is a good idea as long as he stays away from political issues. If he does, great. |
Education is a political issue.| But the President has been shown to be a liar like most politicians. |
Just like the school board members and others who direct your childrens' education. What makes Obama different?
|
He has way more influence on my children than if a school board member gave a speech. Also, I follow our school board and they do what they say, good or bad and I have direct access to them any time I want, not so with the President. |
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington |
|
|
|
Dave W.
Info Junkie
USA
26022 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 13:46:25 [Permalink]
|
Originally posted by Robb
He has way more influence on my children than if a school board member gave a speech. Also, I follow our school board and they do what they say, good or bad and I have direct access to them any time I want, not so with the President. |
But Obama's not trying to set policy through a speech to your children. Your school board members wouldn't even bother giving a speech to your kids before changing school policy.
What do you think Obama could say to your kids that would be so awful, yet not lose him dozens of points in polling? Are you worried that he's going to tell all the boys to be gay and the girls to go get abortions right after school? |
- Dave W. (Private Msg, EMail)
Evidently, I rock!
Why not question something for a change?
Visit Dave's Psoriasis Info, too. |
|
|
|
Hal
Skeptic Friend
USA
302 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 13:51:42 [Permalink]
|
I've never understood the impulse to "pre-screen" the material that kids are going to be exposed to in school. My kids have encountered viewpoints and arguments wildly different to my own since kindergarten. (I'm a liberal atheist in a conservative bible-belt community, and my kids have all been through Catholic schools. My fundamentalist family has kept my kids supplied with fundy-approved anti-science literature.) It's always seemed to me that I'd want them to be around people with different backgrounds, experiences, and world-views than what they're exposed to at home. They all seem pretty self-assured, independent, and open-minded to me. They don't always agree with me on every issue, but they do seem to respect me, and I certainly respect their ability to receive information critically and form their own opinions.
To the point mentioned above, I'd be perfectly fine if Dick Cheney were to speak at my kid's school -- Hell, I'd be excited about it. Personally, I think he's a murderous, lying sack of shit, but I wouldn't say that to my kids. I'd want to get their impressions first. |
Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
Martin Luther King Jr.
 |
|
|
|
pleco
SFN Addict
USA
2998 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 14:01:42 [Permalink]
|
 |
by Filthy
The neo-con methane machine will soon be running at full fart. |
|
|
|
|
R.Wreck
SFN Regular
USA
1191 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 15:49:19 [Permalink]
|
Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Robb. You really need to pause for a moment and take a deep breath.
Don't let the crazy, fear-mongering wingnuts make you paranoid, too. Barack Obama is President of the United States by virtue of having been overwhelmingly, democratically elected to the post less than a year ago. Barack Obama was not foisted upon the American people by a putsch. Also, he's not Michael Jackson, so the kids are safe that sense, too.
There is no need to think that his little pep talk to school kids is going to do them any damage. Watch it and see for yourself.
|
I am not freaking out. All I want is a transcript beforehand. I know everything my school teaches my children, why should this be different?
|
So you're the one who's smarter than a fifth grader! |
The foundation of morality is to . . . give up pretending to believe that for which there is no evidence, and repeating unintelligible propositions about things beyond the possibliities of knowledge.
T. H. Huxley
The Cattle Prod of Enlightened Compassion
|
|
|
|
Robb
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 16:36:25 [Permalink]
|
Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by Robb
He has way more influence on my children than if a school board member gave a speech. Also, I follow our school board and they do what they say, good or bad and I have direct access to them any time I want, not so with the President. |
But Obama's not trying to set policy through a speech to your children. Your school board members wouldn't even bother giving a speech to your kids before changing school policy.
What do you think Obama could say to your kids that would be so awful, yet not lose him dozens of points in polling? Are you worried that he's going to tell all the boys to be gay and the girls to go get abortions right after school?
|
All I want is to know what he is going to say. Why am I some kind of wing nut for that? He's the "transparent president" right? |
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington |
|
|
|
Robb
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 16:38:05 [Permalink]
|
Originally posted by pleco
|
why be like the left and make the opposition look bad and insult them instead of just refuting what they say? Arent skeptics better than that? |
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington |
|
|
|
Robb
SFN Regular
USA
1223 Posts |
Posted - 09/02/2009 : 16:40:17 [Permalink]
|
Originally posted by R.Wreck
Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Robb. You really need to pause for a moment and take a deep breath.
Don't let the crazy, fear-mongering wingnuts make you paranoid, too. Barack Obama is President of the United States by virtue of having been overwhelmingly, democratically elected to the post less than a year ago. Barack Obama was not foisted upon the American people by a putsch. Also, he's not Michael Jackson, so the kids are safe that sense, too.
There is no need to think that his little pep talk to school kids is going to do them any damage. Watch it and see for yourself.
|
I am not freaking out. All I want is a transcript beforehand. I know everything my school teaches my children, why should this be different?
|
So you're the one who's smarter than a fifth grader!
|
I am pretty sure you know what I mean. I know what the curriculem is in the school and know what my children are learning to ensure they are getting what they need to be educated adults. |
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington |
|
|
 |
|
|
|
Obama Speech to Schoolchildren
