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Originally posted by Dave W.
Oh, and here is the Department of Education's announcement.
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Seems innocuous enough, doesn't it? And that confirms my point: these knuckle-draggers are not in the least interested in the education of our children nor the welfare of the country. All they care about is that some nigger Obama is in the White House and they wish they had the balls to shoot him.
As far as I am concerned, they are, not Nazis, who, if nothing else, were deeply patriotic to Germany, but mere advocates of treason too afraid to take action themselves and must hide in a noisy crowd of fellow travelers. These are the same species of coward who openly carried firearms to town hall meetings in order to intimidate others.
To them, this speech means nothing -- Obama could recite from Aesop's Fables and it would still mean nothing. It would come as a surprise to me if any of them even watch it nor read the transcript (assuming the ability to read the transcript, which remains in grave doubt).
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Ah, here's what I've been waiting for. You think I write? Well, I ain't even a patch on the Rude Pundit!
"9/03/2009
In the Realm of "You Have to Be Fucking Kidding": Obama's School Speech Makes Conservatives Cry:
Twenty years ago, in his first year as President, George Bush the Smarter gave a speech broadcast live to schools around the nation. The September 12, 1989, talk was done with less than a day's advanced warning, but a good many schools stopped everything to put televisions into classrooms and hold assemblies to watch. In the speech, Bush sought to scare the living fuck out of kids about drugs. After telling the story of a cop who was blown away at point blank range, killed on the orders of a drug kingpin, cold and calculated," Bush offered, "[O]ut on the street a nightmare for America is happening, every day, every night. Somewhere a teenaged girl who ought to be in school is giving birth to a baby already addicted to cocaine, and that baby is coming into this world shaking and twitching from withdrawal, so sensitive to the touch that it can't be held or fed properly." He informed the now-terrified students that "Saying no won't make you a nerd," asked them to narc on friends, quoted Michael Jordan, and concluded with "Have a good year."
The backdrop of the speech was that Bush was trying to get Congress to pass a tough and useless anti-drug program that included lots more prisons, prosecutors and other things that don't really work. Democrats wanted to add more drug treatment and prevention measures to the bill. Bush had already spoken to the nation on September 5 about drugs, even getting the DEA to set up a crack sting near the White House just for a visual and a story in that address.
So, in other words, in 1989, President Bush spoke to students with the blatantly political goal of getting his harsh new drug laws passed in order to demonstrate, again, how tough he was. And the outrage from the left? Well, some of the kids thought the whole thing was worthless and/or bullshit. Some liked it. Otherwise, not a damn peep from anyone, not even on the good liberal McNeil/Lehrer Newshour.
And why was there no outcry of indoctrination to conservative causes, no uproar about inflicting such unpleasant thoughts on the precious children, no kerfuffle over whether or not the students were forced to watch it? Because there wasn't. Because he was the President. And if the President of the United States wants to make some little statement to students, then he gets to fucking do it. And, really, unless he's got spinning hyno-eyes telling them to kill their hippie grandparents, who the fuck cares? There was more important shit to do then, like debating whether or not there should be a flag-burning amendment. (God, the 80s sucked.)"
Read on, dear friends, open the link and read on....
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Posted - 09/03/2009 : 17:47:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Originally posted by pleco
Yes, both sides do it... |
I'd like to see some clips of left-wingers asking their Jewish Congresspeople why they support Bush's Nazi policies during a town-hall-type meeting. |
I got one better:
Swastica
or this:
Where's Al Sharpton?
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Posted - 09/03/2009 : 18:43:20 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
I'll ask you again, what do you think can be said in a single short speech that has you so worried? Why do you disbelieve the announced content of the speech?
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I don't think that President Obama will say anything I would disagree with. He is not stupid. I worry about the teachers, administrators judgment accross the country after showing the video. The video I started out with is one example. This is another: This video was shown to school kids in Utah this year:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqcPA1ysSbw
I also worry that President Obama and the teacher unions had input into the activity sheet before and after the video that the department of education put out and changed.
Also, why would I trust a man that appointed a communist, 911 truther, racist as the White House Green Jobs Advisor (Van Jones)and the White House Science and Technology Advisor talks about forced abortions and forced sterilizations and 18 more "czars that are accountable to nobody except President Obama and some just as radical as these two. These "czars" are not vetted or approved by the congress because they never would be. Why would you want your child lectured to by a man like this?
Now I have been called a racist, stupid and pathetic just for wanting to read the speech before my 5 and 7 year old children listen to this man that appoint radicals into the white house. I will let them listen with me there with them. |
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Posted - 09/03/2009 : 19:05:35 [Permalink]
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So, the justification for your wacko paranoia about Obama is an even wackier paranoid rant about Jones?
Maybe you should get some info outside of Glenn Beck. |
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Posted - 09/03/2009 : 19:12:31 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Simon
So, the justification for your wacko paranoia about Obama is an even wackier paranoid rant about Jones?
Maybe you should get some info outside of Glenn Beck.
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Maybe you should check the facts? |
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Posted - 09/03/2009 : 19:18:35 [Permalink]
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I swear, I give up, Robb. You've begun drinking deeply of the wingnut Kool-Aid, to the point that you are unresponsive to anything that challenges your beliefs, and are using the same paranoid fear-mongering tactics as the wingnuts. You were once better than this. It's a genuine shame to see you disintegrating.
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Posted - 09/03/2009 : 20:20:43 [Permalink]
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Robb said:
| and the White House Science and Technology Advisor talks about forced abortions and forced sterilizations and 18 more "czars that are accountable to nobody except President |
Wow, just... wow. You have lost your mind Robb.
You are going to need some evidence that the White House science and tech advisor is advocating forced abortions. Bring me the video of that person syaing what you are claiming.
As for these "czars", you didn't have a fucking problem when it was Bush's political appointees running things. The POTUS gets to APPOINT people to something like 3000 jobs Robb, with no oversight from any other elected official (except for congress and budget oversight). That is the way its been since before even Ronny RayGun was prez.
The POTUS also gets to hire people to work for him. To write speeches, to offer him advice on any topic he wants advice on, to perform specific tasks he instructs them to perform within the perogative and limits of his office. They have no official political power, they can't issue orders to government agencies, and the president is responsible for their actions.
Really though, your reaction to this speech if nothing less than comical.
Let me put it this way: What does it say about your own opinion of your own skill as a parent if you think that your children are going to be harmed in some way by anything Obama is going to say in this speech? Are you really that bad a parent that your children could come to some psychological harm if they hear an opinion you don't approve of? (not that this speech looks like it will be anything but exactly what it is being advertised as, just Obama trying to motivate children to do well in school.)
So I ask you, where was your outrage when G.W. Bush appointed an accused rapist (who believed that most of women's health care issues could be solved by reading the bible) to be in charge of the FDA. You will note that the FDA is an actual government agency with actual power.
Would you have been outraged when Bush sr gave his speech to school children, a speech with clear and obvious political goals, if you were a parent at the time?
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Posted - 09/03/2009 : 20:22:15 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by Simon
So, the justification for your wacko paranoia about Obama is an even wackier paranoid rant about Jones?
Maybe you should get some info outside of Glenn Beck.
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Maybe you should check the facts?
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What makes you think I didn't?
John P. Holdren did mention systematic sterilization (no mention I could find of forced abortion, that'd a retarded policy anyway) as apossible solution to over population. He also says that "the use of milder methods of influencing family size preferences" are to be preferred.
Van Jones signed, in 2004, ONE document asking for an investigation to clarify if the administration knew ahead of time about the attack. That's certainly retarded, but that's hardly enough to make a 'truther' out of him. As for the accusation of being racist... The only things I saw were projections by Glenn Beck.
Now, you made the fucking accusations, bring on the supporting data.
Until then, I will continue to think that you are just caught in the rising paranoia of the conservatives and racist of this country.
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Posted - 09/03/2009 : 21:02:49 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
Originally posted by Simon
So, the justification for your wacko paranoia about Obama is an even wackier paranoid rant about Jones?
Maybe you should get some info outside of Glenn Beck.
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Maybe you should check the facts?
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I read the facts on Jones. He looks to be eminently qualified for the job he was appointed to.
Anthony "Van" Jones (born September 20, 1968) is the Special Advisor for Green Jobs at the White House Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ).[1]
Jones is an environmental advocate, civil rights activist, attorney, and author. He founded the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights in 1996, a California NGO working for alternatives to violence and incarceration.[2] In 2005, Jones co-founded Color of Change, an advocacy group for African Americans.[3] Formerly based in Oakland, California, Jones founded Green For All in 2007, a national NGO dedicated to "building an inclusive green economy strong enough to lift people out of poverty."[4] His first book, The Green Collar Economy, released on October 7, 2008, was a New York Times bestseller.[5]
In 2008, Time magazine named Jones one of its "Environmental Heroes."[6] Fast Company called him one of the "12 Most Creative Minds of 2008."[7] Jones is married and has two sons. |
That he said he was a communist doesn't matter to me. I once said that too. And I am not a communist.
Publisher's weekly said this about his book, The Green Collar Economy: How One Solution Can Fix Our Two Biggest Problems:
As the "ecological crisis nears the boiling point," human rights activist and environmental leader Jones (president of the national organization Green For All) lays out a visionary, meticulous and practical explanation of the two major challenges the U.S. currently faces-massive socioeconomic inequality and imminent ecological catastrophe-and how the current third wave of environmentalism, the "investment" wave, can solve both. If industry players want to take advantage of growing consumer demand for green solutions, they'll have to follow principles of inclusiveness as well as conservation and inventiveness to create "broad opportunity and shared prosperity" for citizens at all levels of society. Rife with statistics, facts and history lessons, Jones introduces a "Green New Deal," a re-imagining of FDR's original New Deal that makes the government "a partner" (as opposed to a "nanny" or "bully") of the people, and sets about defining the principles of a "smart, supportive, reliable" partnership. Jones examines success stories from around the world (included close looks at Chicago and Milwaukee), defines government priorities at national and local levels and offers concrete solutions; one major positive step for any "significant U.S. metropolis" is to "invest massively in constructing buses, light rail cars, and mass-transit projects," creating good jobs while cutting greenhouse gases. With both caution and hope, Jones concludes that "tens of thousands of heroes at every level of human society" will be needed to carry off this third, and perhaps ultimate, green initiative.
This isn't the review of a communist screed. He has obviously moved on, as many of us have, to a more practical ideology.
And then there is this:
From same wiki article as above:
In 2004, Jones was one of "100 notable |
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Posted - 09/03/2009 : 21:46:36 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Robb
I got one better:
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That's better? Pelosi speaking the truth is a worse form of protest than claiming that a Jewish Congressman is supporting a Nazi policy?Yup, protesters get violent during protests. We also have the anti-Obama guy who knocked a 65-year-old pro-Obama demonstrator unconscious, and the 65-year-old anti-Obama protester who slugged a pro-Obama guy, who in retaliation bit the 65-year-old's pinky off.
Really, Robb, is that the best you've got? I was asking for evidence that during town-hall meetings - and I meant inside the buildings - Democrats were behaving as badly as Republicans have been behaving this summer. You couldn't post any evidence of that, so instead you claim that a couple of irrelevant examples are "better" than that. All without addressing your own hypocrisy.
And now this:OH NOES!!11!!! People are "pledging" to make their communities, nation and world better! How horrifying!
Pledges to end hunger in America. To smile, laugh and love more. To help kids with diseases. To be great mothers and fathers. To make the world better. To speak for those who can't. To avoid racism. To be a proud, dignified and honest American. To be more funkadelic. And it goes on...
This video worries you, Robb? It disturbs you to think that children are being shown that the motto of the United States of America is not "every man for himself?"
Perhaps what gets to you is the same thing that disturbs Penn Jilette. Yeah, despite being famous within the skeptic movement, he doesn't get it, either. Simply by ignoring the context, anyone saying they're going to be a servant to the President had better be a butler on the White House staff, or yes, they are off their rockers. But the context is one of volunteering to do what one can to improve the nation and the world, and if any future President is against that, he/she should be dethroned quickly. Libertarians like Penn will fret over the language, but that's because for the most part, they really do think America should be "every man for himself." But Libertarianism is a policy of economic Darwinism, and we've got the smarts to rise above the "red in tooth and claw" nature of lax governance. (That's right, Robb: nobody who really understands evolution should want to live under a government that would enforce nature's rules.)| I also worry that President Obama and the teacher unions had input into the activity sheet before and after the video that the department of education put out and changed. |
Go back to high school, Robb, and learn about the three branches of government. The Department of Education, being an Executive Branch department, answers to the President. If he didn't have input into the materials that the DoE put out, that's when you should be worried.| Also, why would I trust a man that appointed a communist, 911 truther, racist as the White House Green Jobs Advisor (Van Jones)... |
Evidence, other than Glenn Beck's nuttiness? Oh, and while you're at it, why don't you provide some evidence that the "pledge" video was shown to Utah school kids.| ...and the White House Science and Technology Advisor talks about forced abortions and forced sterilizations and 18 more "czars that are accountable to nobody except President Obama and some just as radical as these two. These "czars" are not vetted or approved by the congress because they never would be. Why would you want your child lectured to by a man like this? |
Robb, it is unbelievable that you can say these things with a straight face. The White House Science and Technology Advisor is a cabinet position, and as such is indeed vetted and approved by the Senate. And Jones' job isn't as a Presidential advisor, it's to maintain communications between govenrment agencies on how to spend money for "green jobs" that Congress began approving in 2007 (that's during Bush's term, Robb).
Maybe, Robb, you should check the facts before you spew right-wing nonsense here as if it were true.| Now I have been called a racist, stupid and pathetic just for wanting to read the speech before my 5 and 7 year old children listen to this man... |
There you go again: making up stuff about why you're being attacked, just like you made up nonsense about why Michelle Malkin was made fun of. You can't face up to the fact that there are good reasons for these criticisms, can you? Instead, you need to feel that you're being persecuted for no rational reason at all. This is all just another example of your pathetic hypocrisy.| ...that appoint radicals into the white house. |
You are the radical here, Robb.| I will let them listen with me there with them. |
At 5 and 7, the President isn't expecting a whole lot of them. The ideas for activities in that age group gives a huge hint as to what the speech is going to be about:...main ideas from the speech, such as citizenship, personal responsibility, and civic duty. I am very glad that your childrens' father will be there with them to protect them from such radical ideas.
My kid is 8. I'm doing my best to instill him with values such as citizenship, personal responsibility, civic duty, social duty and volunteerism. Good conservative values that will serve him (and his friends) well over a lifetime. And it's made all the more difficult because of people like you, Robb, who've thrown all those values away in favor of anti-government dogmatism.
So, from the bottom of my heart, Robb, I'd just like to say: up yours. |
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 Posted - 09/04/2009 : 01:47:36 [Permalink]
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Say, here's an idea! It's kind of radical and might not be agreeable to everyone, but I'll toss it out for consideration anyway: let's watch and listen to the damned speech before we applaud or bitch about it!
Now I know that might not make any sense to the teabaggers, who would rather get out there and make obnoxious and contemptable asses of themselves, but it seems to me that it's better to keep your mouth shut until you learn whereof you speak.
Howzzat, hm? Might it work?
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"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
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Robb
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Posted - 09/04/2009 : 06:02:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
I swear, I give up, Robb. You've begun drinking deeply of the wingnut Kool-Aid, to the point that you are unresponsive to anything that challenges your beliefs, and are using the same paranoid fear-mongering tactics as the wingnuts. You were once better than this. It's a genuine shame to see you disintegrating.
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Again resorting to name calling? |
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Robb
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Posted - 09/04/2009 : 06:07:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
Let me put it this way: What does it say about your own opinion of your own skill as a parent if you think that your children are going to be harmed in some way by anything Obama is going to say in this speech? Are you really that bad a parent that your children could come to some psychological harm if they hear an opinion you don't approve of? (not that this speech looks like it will be anything but exactly what it is being advertised as, just Obama trying to motivate children to do well in school.) |
I never said my child would be brainwashed or caused psychological harm. Why do you continue to attribute idea's to me that I never said?
I will wait for your reply to call me a racist again.
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Obama Speech to Schoolchildren
