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Dude
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 Posted - 10/12/2009 : 11:27:33 [Permalink]
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The problem, Gorgo, is that you are to only one who seems to understand what you are talking about. That should tell you that you have a problem.
TAKE YOUR MEDS.
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Gorgo
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 11:37:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dude
The problem, Gorgo, is that you are to only one who seems to understand what you are talking about. That should tell you that you have a problem.
TAKE YOUR MEDS.
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And where would I be without you and Dave to help? |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 13:24:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
I'm pretty sure it was you that talked about Pauling, I think I could go back and copy the quote if you want. |
I know that I brought Pauling into this, and I know why I did so. Once again, if the hypothesis is that the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to those who aid and abet capitalistic imperialism, then Linus Pauling appears to be a counterexample to that hypothesis.| Does "scheme" mean something other than conspiracy here, I really am trying to understand? |
I don't know, Gorgo. The idea that there's a "conspiracy" or "scheme" involved is entirely yours. What these words mean to you or how a conspiracy or scheme fits in with everything else inside your head is definitely not something I can help you with.| If you give a criminal money for pledging to keep the number of guns on his body down to 3,000, are you subsidizing the criminal or not? |
Yes, but what does that have to do with anything? |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 13:51:10 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Okay, let's see an analysis of all 99 Peace Prize Laureates. I find it hard to believe that Linus Pauling was a part of a scheme to continue Western Imperialism with his campaign to end nuclear weapon testing.[quote] |
"Scheme" and "Western Imperialism" are terms Dave is using here, not Gorgo.
All of this is irrelevant. The point is that the award is ludicrous. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 16:32:30 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
"Scheme" and "Western Imperialism" are terms Dave is using here, not Gorgo. |
Oh, that "scheme." Yeah, that's a reading comprehension problem on your part, Gorgo. My re-iteration (twice) of what I meant that first time stands.| All of this is irrelevant. The point is that the award is ludicrous. |
Its ludicrousness depends upon what you think the Prize is for, and since neither you nor the guys you linked to seem to have read the press release means that you have your own private vision of what it's for (one that doesn't mesh up with reality all that well), so of course you're going to think the choice of Obama is ridiculous. |
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Gorgo
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 17:48:52 [Permalink]
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This, of course, is the best commentary:
Obama Named Country Music Entertainer of the Year
Surprise Selection Shocks Nashville
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 18:08:01 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
This, of course, is the best commentary:
Obama Named Country Music Entertainer of the Year
Surprise Selection Shocks Nashville
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It would be, if it were the Nobel War-Stopping Prize. |
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Gorgo
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 18:08:02 [Permalink]
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http://www.progressive.org/wx100909.html
Didn't post Matthew Rothschild's comments.
I’m sorry, there’s a lot I admire about Barack Obama, but he doesn’t deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 21:03:14 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Are you so warped you actually believe the Nobel Comittee was in on the scam and awarded her for it?
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What? Do you think all the people that believe she's a saint are "in on" the scam? |
Of course not, but you've been alluding that the Nobel Prize Comittee is awarding "business as usual". To effectively do that, they need to be in on it.
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podcat
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Posted - 10/12/2009 : 21:45:56 [Permalink]
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| Do you think the continuing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan will have an effect on U.S. diplomacy and ability to reduce nuclear weapons? |
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Gorgo
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 00:14:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Originally posted by Gorgo
Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Are you so warped you actually believe the Nobel Comittee was in on the scam and awarded her for it?
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What? Do you think all the people that believe she's a saint are "in on" the scam? |
Of course not, but you've been alluding that the Nobel Prize Comittee is awarding "business as usual". To effectively do that, they need to be in on it.
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No, that's my problem with what I think Dave seems to be saying. There doesn't have to be a conspiracy, they just had to believe that what she was doing was constructive. I don't personally know that everything these different individuals that belong to the Nobel Committee over the years have followed a pattern without fail. A couple of the authors that I posted bring that into question, but even if there were a rigid pattern, that doesn't mean that they were "in on" some scam, just like they didn't have to be "in on" Teresa's scam. But they unwittingly gave the scam credibility in their ignorance and encouraged her in it.
I also don't think they need to follow a pattern without fail to bring the overall pattern into question. I just know that outside of rhetoric, there isn't much reason to give Obama any kind of peace award, and recipients such as Kissinger at least show that this committee's awards are suspect.
I understand the point that you don't have to completely be anti-war to win the award, or even to be working to stop a particular war. That's fine, but you should at least not be an aggressive criminal.
We'll see, maybe I'm missing something. |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 10/13/2009 : 05:08:51 [Permalink]
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Hate and Envy and Spite, oh my!
And you can add Piteous Whining to that as well. Me, I love to hear the their strangled bleating. It adds a sort of chorus to their lyric of conservative insanity; a polish on the turd, as it were.
When Barack Obama was surprisingly named the recipient of the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize, well, one could almost hear the heads exploding across the "Frank Burns Wing" of the nutosphere that currently makes up the core of the conservative movement. Funny thing is, they agree with the terrorists.
Some things are best left without comment from yours truly, particularly the ridiculous reactions from the Greek chorus over Obama receiving the award. So, here's a sampling of the pro-America love showed by the spiteful right:
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And what pro America love might that be, pray? Well....
"Mikhail Gorbachev won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1990. A year later, he was out of power and the Soviet Union had dissolved." Bill Kristol
"The Nobel Peace Prize should be turned down by Barack Obama and given... to the Tea Party goers and the 9-12 Project." Glenn Beck
"(Obama) has to turn it down -- because it is such a joke -- that he'll turn it down and it's the only way for him make a win out of this. Only his arrogance will stop him from doing it." Glenn Beck (himself an authority on arrogance)
“The Nobel gang just suicide-bombed themselves. Gore, Carter, Obama, soon Bill Clinton. See a pattern here? They are all leftist sell-outs. George Bush liberates 50 million Muslims in Iraq, Reagan liberates hundreds of millions of Europeans and saves parts of Latin America. Any awards?” Limbaugh says “Obama gives speeches trashing his own country and for that gets a prize, which is now worth as much as whatever prizes they are putting in Cracker Jacks these days.” Rush Limbaugh, in an email to Newsweek.
"I think that everybody is laughing. Our president is a worldwide joke. Folks, do you realize something has happened here that we all agree with the Taliban and Iran about, and that is he doesn't deserve the award. Now that's hilarious, that I'm on the same side of something with the Taliban, and that we all are on the same side as the Taliban." Limbaugh
Now Barack, Im really happy for you, and imma let you finish, but Beyonce had one of the best videos of all time. One of the best videos of all time! Kanye West (oops, sorry!)
"We all know what the Nobel Prize committee is ever since Yasir Arafat won. It's a radical leftist front group that hijacked Alfred Nobel's prize." Michael Savage.
"I did not realize the Nobel Peace Prize had an affirmative action quota." Erick Erickson, RedState.com |
It seems that all of the electronic drama queens on the sick fringe of the far right have helped polish that turd, and there are more listed in the link as they continue to blather on.
This is all somewhat mysterious to me. I really don't understand what all the shouting's about. The guy won the Nobel, so what? It's not as if he'd politicked for it or stole it like the Republicans stole the 2000 election, and he's giving the money away. It seems to me that Obama should receive congratulations and praise for this stroke of fortune; bringing the prize to the US.
But the drama queens will continue to slobber into their microphones and their hives of ditto-head audiences will continue to lap their spittle up.
And I will continue to laugh -- squeal pigs, squeal! 
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Rubicon95
Skeptic Friend
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 07:26:21 [Permalink]
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On a humorous note, will Kanye crash the award ceremony?
I'm in agreement with Gorgo. The award is a joke. They gave it to Kissinger for the "peace accord" but only the "bomb them to the stone age" strategy was used to bring the NV to the table. Tho was best when he refused.
Ghandi never got the award. |
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podcat
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Posted - 10/13/2009 : 07:49:14 [Permalink]
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I like the president, and I think that at a minimum, Zinn does, too. Liking someone doesn't prevent a person from attempting to offer constructive and legitimate criticism. How constructive and legitimate the criticism is in this case is up for debate, as Dave W. has properly shown.
As for the protest from the right, I think that's because they hate this particular president, without regard to what he does. As Rep. Alan Grayson put it, "If President Obama ended hunger, the Republicans would blame him for overpopulation". |
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Nobel Prize and Obama
