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the_ignored
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 Posted - 11/15/2009 : 00:08:08
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Mind you, theology is NOT this guy's expertise, as he readily admits...
The development of satan is also described as being developed from Zoroastrian views, though as people like Robert Turkel (James Patrick Holding, whatever the hell he calls himself) says that since most of the material of that religion came after xianity got going, that the Zoroastrians borrowed from xianity, not the other way around since most of the material of the Zoroastrian religious material postdates xian stuff:
| Some of the things listed above are actually true and confirmed by scholarly literature -- and a couple of them come from sources that Zoroastrian scholars suggest go back to a source predating Christianity. But that's the mythicists getting 10 out of 100 on a test where before they got zeroes, or claiming a "100% increase" in a salary that went from one dollar a year to two dollars. Some of these I find no confirmation at all for; others come from sources that are way, way too late -- even as late as the 10th century! Our main source for details on Zoroaster is the Avesta, a collection of sacred texts which was put in writing between 346-360 AD [Herz.ZW, 774] and of which we have manuscript copies only as early as the 13th century [Wat.Z, 56 -- and note to conspiracy theorists: blame Alexander the Great and the Muslims for the destruction of Zoroastrian literature]. Some of the material probably comes from a time before the Christian era, but most of this is reckoned to be hymns and some basic information [Rose.IZ, 17] that was part of the oral tradition. The rest seems likely to have been added later, and for good reason, as Rose notes [ibid., 27]: |
Mind you, Holding has no formal training in theology either...anyway, as the guy from the previous link seems to know about this and takes it into account, unlike Holding/Turkel, he tries to check out which ideas actually predate xianity:
Unquestionably there is a tremendous amount of material here that parallels Christian veiws. Remember, though, that existing Zoroastrian texts were not written until 500 years or more after the birth of Christianity. Did Zoroastrian views influence Christian beliefs, or was it the other way around? Before considering the extent of Zoroastrian influence on Jewish and Christian beliefs, we must determine which of these ideas predate Christianity.
Some ancient inscriptions prove that the Persian kings did indeed worship Ahura Mazda. One fragment from the time of Darius (522-485 BC) reads
A great god is Ahura Mazda, who created this earth, who created yonder sky, who created happiness for man, who made Darius king#8230;[60]
Another fragment suggests that the ethical duality of Truth versus Lie was already established. |
Read on to see.
The entire site is interesting and may prove useful.
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>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
Edited by - the_ignored on 11/15/2009 00:27:26
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Study of Early Christianity website
