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podcat
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Posted - 01/17/2010 : 22:58:06 [Permalink]
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filthy, filthy, filthy....
Don't you know that when you think of disasters, you think of George W. Bush? |
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podcat
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Posted - 01/17/2010 : 23:16:49 [Permalink]
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Craig Ferguson has an offer for Rush Limbaugh:
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/cspanjunkie/craig-ferguson-blackmails-rush-limbaug
And I'm with Dave W. on this one, the world doesn't give a rat's behind how much or what you contribute, just contribute! |
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filthy
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 Posted - 01/18/2010 : 00:04:37 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by podcat
filthy, filthy, filthy....
Don't you know that when you think of disasters, you think of George W. Bush?
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No, no, no! According to this skank, Bush rescued the economy!
George W. Bush rescued the economy from collapse, according to Karen Hughes. Bush's former campaign director attacked President Barack Obama on NBC Sunday, defending the record of her former boss on the economy.
Speaking about Obama's successes, journalist Mark Halperin praised the current president's handling of the economy. "He's done, I think, an extraordinary job running the government under difficult circumstances. He managed the economic crisis, kept the world from going into depression," said Halperin.
But Hughes quickly took objection to Halperin's assessment. "I have to disagree with you, Mark, about rescuing the economy," she said. "I think that happened before President Bush left office when they took the action that they did on TARP and the banks have now repaid much of that money but that's what stabilized the economy and prevented the collapse of the financial system."
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podcat
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 00:17:24 [Permalink]
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| No, I'm talking about someone who's good at *creating* disasters, not one who's good at *handling* them. |
“In a modern...society, everybody has the absolute right to believe whatever they damn well please, but they don't have the same right to be taken seriously”.
-Barry Williams, co-founder, Australian Skeptics |
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Dave W.
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 Posted - 01/18/2010 : 00:41:07 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by podcat
And I'm with Dave W. on this one, the world doesn't give a rat's behind how much or what you contribute, just contribute! |
Or, for the most part, to what (I have issues with people who contribute to NAMBLA, for example). What I mean is that we can't think less of someone who has tapped themselves out giving to Habitat for Humanity because they find they can't give anything for earthquake relief in Haiti. Some people give on a budget, which is fine. And (of course), we can't expect the recipients of charity to be giving to charity.
There are many factors which might go into a decision to give, not all of which are under a person's control. Giving is good, but not giving isn't necessarily bad. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 01:58:45 [Permalink]
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No, no, no! According to this skank, Bush rescued the economy!
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I used to have a few of those flags in with me whenever I went out doors. Just in case I saw a pile.
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bngbuck
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 02:04:42 [Permalink]
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Dave W.
I've got no doubt that Bill has done some charitable giving. |
Well, it is odd that he asks others to detail their contributions but refuses to mention his own - what with all the Christianity is Charitable crap that the fundies harp on constantly.| I just find the who-is-holier-than-whom thing to be rather ridiculous. |
I certainly don't know of anyone here that believes there is anything holy about charity. I would hope not! That would indeed be ridiculous!| because some people simply can't "dig deeper" when an emergency arises, I find requests to demonstrate such activity to be offensive. |
Does the publicity that the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation generates as to their world charities' work in response to criticisms of his vast personal wealth offend you? Or Warren Buffett seeing to it that his donation of much of his accumulated wealth to Gates' foundation was highly publicized?
I personally think very highly of both of these men for the enormous good that their combined wealth is doing in the world and I am glad to be appraised of it. It reassures me from time to time that greed and selfishness are not all-pervasive in this materialistic world.| because some people simply can't "dig deeper" when an emergency arises, |
Most people really can't dig deeper - particularly in these bad economic times. That is why it strongly behooves all of us who can, to answer the request, the call, or the prod -- or whatever it is that prompts action. It is not morally or ethically right for anyone to just ignore a call as urgent as the one from Haiti, any more than it would to ignore an urgent call for help from a family member or a friend.
If they can't give, that's understandable, but perhaps they know someone who can. Perhaps Bill can if prodded. You say not, but how can one know unless they try? Like this: Bill scott, are you an anal retentive, or are you broke? If broke, OK. It's no disgrace to be broke, especially today.
But if you have a few extra bucks right now that you don't really need, for your very own Christ's sake, give something, ten bucks maybe, to the people of Haiti. Ten bucks from a mere hundred thousand people is a million! You might help save a kid's life! Do it! |
Dave W.
I find requests to demonstrate such activity to be offensive. |
Well, I'm sorry about that, but I find ignoring the call to be more offensive!
You must be making a reference to this request:Bill scott
What is your atheistic contribution to any or all human relief efforts over, say, the last five years? What about your personal volunteer time? |
This is certainly offensive, but not in the manner that you describe! I found this "atheistic contribution" reference a direct derogation of atheists, as compared to Christians, in matters philanthropic; with the implication being that atheists could not possibly be as generous as Christians. I could not in good faith ignore the challenge, and I am proud that I could and did respond.
I fully believe that all the others here who have responded have a perfect right to be proud of their concern for a people far away and greatly removed from our witness who are in indescribable agony as a nation!
It never occurred to me to relate the offense that I took to Bill scott's direct request to "put up, atheist, or shut up" -- to the size of his penis; but that is indeed an interesting suggestion from you. I guess our minds run in somewhat different directions, Dave.
However I have no apologies for answering him in as direct a manner as he asked me, and I feel it is perfectly fair game for Mooner and others to ask Bill scott questions like..... | So, you gave nothing, huh? |
That not only does not offend me, I agree heartily that it needs to be asked of this fundamentalist marionette twit. I am really not too interested in any of his personal measurements, but, to each his own........
Bill scott has not seen fit to deny Mooner's above inference, nor to acknowlege it, nor to speak fact to implication. I felt, and still do, that it was important to respond to such a derogation of rationality (skeptics are uncaring of human suffering); as opposed to glorification of superstition -- (God gives Christians love for their fellow man and they practice charity which atheists don't)
How that leads to a measuring of penis length escapes me, but I have taken due note to measure up, as I'm sure Filthy, Mooner, Randy, and Dr. Mabuse have also -- as they all saw fit to put down BS in the same direct response manner that I did.| A different idiot started that crap, in what looks to be nothing more nor less than a "I bet my penis is bigger than yours" childish challenge, a hypothesis supported by his later whipping it out and showing the world. |
Different than Bill scott? What complete idiot could possibly do something like, wow, "whipping it out" -- without agreement in principle from several others here doing the same exact thing?
That would be unconscionably stupid, and then to be laughed at by BS and other important people.....!! My God, the humiliation would be unbearable! All five of us would be embarassed beyond any possible redemption to have the facts of our charitable contribution be revealed to the public. And to have shown our penises too.....oh my god, my god, the shame!
I can honestly say the only times in my life that I have ever "whipped it out" was when there was a mandate to put it immediately to use.
I really didn't see that imperative in anything that Bill scott said, although sometimes there is an urge to just piss on insulting trolls! |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 04:08:33 [Permalink]
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I'm reading that Tiger Woods has gotten up off some 3 mil for Haiti. My own charitable pecker is considerably smaller. But as they say; "each unto his ability." It ain't a contest; it's not a one-way, potlatch game.
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Bill scott
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 05:59:40 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by Bill scott
Originally posted by HalfMooner
Originally posted by Bill scott
Originally posted by bngbuck
Bill scott.....
What was your Christian contribution to Haiti relief, Bill?
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What is your atheistic contribution to any or all human relief efforts over, say, the last five years? What about your personal volunteer time?
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So, you gave nothing, huh?
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To hatian relief or in general?
What is your atheistic contribution to any or all human relief efforts over, say, the last five years? What about your personal volunteer time? |
No, I won't answer until you do. That's how it works: You were asked first. But never mind. It's clear you don't give to dark strangers, even when a catastrophe like the Haitian quake hits.
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| But never mind. It's clear you don't give to dark strangers, even when a catastrophe like the Haitian quake hits. |
I would like you to fill me in on how you came to this conclusion. I have yet to reveal any of my contributions or charitable works to you, yet you believe that your qualified to claim that I am racist simply because I have yet to answer if I have given to your self-approved Haitian relief .org yet. If I provide you proof that I have sponsored a child from Zimbabwe for the last 5 years and have been sponsoring other children through the same .org for the past 10 years will you take back your ridicules accusation?
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Bill scott
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 06:05:45 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dave W. |
| I've got no doubt that Bill has done some charitable giving. After all, his magic sky daddy says that he should. |
Yes, I do. Thank you.
| I just find the who-is-holier-than-whom thing to be rather ridiculous. |
I agree. And add childish.
| And because charity work can be deeply personal, and because some people simply can't "dig deeper" when an emergency arises, I find requests to demonstrate such activity to be offensive. |
Yes, I would agree. That is why I asked the same question I was being asked. I was hoping one might see how ridiculous and offensive this was becoming. But no such luck, at least until your little post of sanity.
| Sure, Bill may have come into this thread with patently ludicrous stuff about Danny Glover, but he didn't say that Haiti relief isn't a worthwhile cause, nor did he criticize or even ask about anyone else's charitable giving. |
Your right. I found it rather funny (sad really) that I was being questioned so and then it was even implied that I was a racist just because I did not wish to join in the "I bet my penis is bigger than yours" childish challenge.
A different idiot started that crap, in what looks to be nothing more nor less than a "I bet my penis is bigger than yours" childish challenge, a hypothesis supported by his later whipping it out and showing the world.
I wouldn't be surprised if Bill scott were just pointing and laughing. I know I am. |
I just knew if we conversed long enough that we would find something that we were in complete agreement on. Yes, the "I bet my penis is bigger than yours" childish challenge was laughable to me. |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
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Dr. Mabuse
Septic Fiend
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 08:51:09 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
Dave W.
I find requests to demonstrate such activity to be offensive. |
Well, I'm sorry about that, but I find ignoring the call to be more offensive!
You must be making a reference to this request:Bill scott
What is your atheistic contribution to any or all human relief efforts over, say, the last five years? What about your personal volunteer time? |
This is certainly offensive, but not in the manner that you describe! I found this "atheistic contribution" reference a direct derogation of atheists, as compared to Christians, in matters philanthropic; with the implication being that atheists could not possibly be as generous as Christians. I could not in good faith ignore the challenge, and I am proud that I could and did respond. |
This is the reason I responded. It sounded alomst as if Bill didn't expect atheists to be charitable. From Bill's point of view I'm atheist, and it bugs the hell out of me that he's insinuating that we can't be charitable.
I'm not whipping my penis out to measure who's got the bigger (I don't care, mine is big enough for me) but to whack it in Bill's face to show him I can swing it with any christian like him.
...although sometimes there is an urge to just piss on insulting trolls!
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 09:25:19 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
...and then it was even implied that I was a racist... |
And that was just bizarre.| I just knew if we conversed long enough that we would find something that we were in complete agreement on. |
Hey, just because I think you're a delusional fool and you've swallowed far too many of the lies you've been told doesn't mean that I think that you should have to put up with every single bit of abuse that's flung your way. If you had made fun of anyone else's charity work, then bngbuck's out-of-the-blue question (and the dog-pile after) would have made some sort of contextual sense.
But no, you just parroted some crap about Danny Glover, while ignoring repeated requests that you present some details about how gay marriage is not in the best interest of society. Of course, the reason I keep on bringing this up should be obvious. Even if you were right about Danny Glover, who cares? If you're right about gay marriage, though, then I'm supporting something which will impede or even diminish everyone's quality-of-life. So I need to know, and because you are refusing to educate me (and everyone else here), you are complicit in any damage that gay marriage might do. |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 09:49:41 [Permalink]
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| Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse |
| This is the reason I responded. It sounded alomst as if Bill didn't expect atheists to be charitable. |
I never said any such thing.
| From Bill's point of view I'm atheist, and it bugs the hell out of me that he's insinuating that we can't be charitable. |
I never insinuated any such thing. And it bugs the hell out of me when I get called a racist just because I will not answer on whether I myself have donated to HM's personal charity of choice.
| I'm not whipping my penis out to measure who's got the bigger |
I think most would prefer that you just keep it tucked away.
| but to whack it in Bill's face to show him I can swing it with any christian like him. |
You are both clowns. Buck wants to make sure that all know that he is holier-then-Bill scott, while you want to make sure all know that you are as-holy-as-Bill scott. You both bang on your chest after making your claims in complete ignorance as you still have no idea whether I give $1 a year to charity or $100,000, 10% of my pay check or 90%. Your only concern is whipping it out so all can see how big your's is. You have received your only reward. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 09:53:58 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
This is the reason I responded. It sounded alomst as if Bill didn't expect atheists to be charitable. From Bill's point of view I'm atheist, and it bugs the hell out of me that he's insinuating that we can't be charitable. |
But Bill was just throwing bngbuck's question back at him. I had no idea why (at the time) that bngbuck thought that Bill's religion or his charitable giving to Haiti relief were either relevant or important to the discussion as it was occurring, but it's clear now that bngbuck just wanted an excuse to give himself a public stroking, since he seems to be feeling insecure about the shrinkage the recession has caused.| I'm not whipping my penis out to measure who's got the bigger (I don't care, mine is big enough for me) but to whack it in Bill's face to show him I can swing it with any christian like him. |
I'm sorry you fell for what is, at its root, bngbuck's childish provocation. Now zip up, 'cause Bill obviously never cared, he's just laughing at you, too. |
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 01/18/2010 : 10:30:51 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Bill scott
| Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse |
| This is the reason I responded. It sounded alomst as if Bill didn't expect atheists to be charitable. |
I never said any such thing.
| From Bill's point of view I'm atheist, and it bugs the hell out of me that he's insinuating that we can't be charitable. |
I never insinuated any such thing. |
Re-checking previous posts in the thread, I realise that your "What is your atheistic contribution" is a response to provocation from bngbuck, and not a statement of moral superiority.
The escalation came from a perceived injury on my part that was uncalled for.
I stand corrected, and apologise.
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Haitian Relief
