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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
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 Posted - 01/20/2010 : 12:16:05 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by BigPapaSmurf
My only beef with the Healthcare crap is the REQUIRED enrollment. I'll be damned if I am going to sign up for that, a total deal breaker for me. I now have to claim that I'm Amish if I want to opt-out. More discrimination against the non-religious, try being a concientious objector with no religion and you'll go straight to jail.
I intend to go without insurance, consequences be damned. (I am fine with being denied healthcare in time of need, I have no inherant right to live 100 years)
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It doesn't save anyone anything, from what I can see. It's not cheaper, it's just mandatory. |
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 12:17:50 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by moakley
Originally posted by Gorgo
I think it's Nader's fault. If Nader had posed nude for Cosmo, we'd have single-payer universal health care.
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I thought Nader appeared in dominatrix gear on a 1965 cover of Car & Driver next to a Corvair.
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That was Ann Coulter. They look a lot alike when they dress up. |
I know the rent is in arrears
The dog has not been fed in years
It's even worse than it appears
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Robert Hunter
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
 Posted - 01/20/2010 : 12:30:28 [Permalink]
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Exactly right, as usual.
1/20/2010
Random Observations on Last Night's Massachusetts Knockdown:
1. Oh, grow a fucking pair already, whiny goddamn Democrats like Anthony Weiner or Barney Frank. You still belong to the majority party, the big majority party. You should be out there shredding Republicans, saying that they want to take us back to the policies of the Bush administration. Put that shit on repeat and use it. The biggest failure of the Democrats since the election of Barack Obama is that they have not made Republicans own the presidency of George W. Bush. It should become ingrained that "Republican=Bush." And the fact that it's not at this point means that idiots are running message for the Democrats. Americans are, for the most part, historical amnesiacs. They've already forgotten how our condition of being deeply fucked was a result of the very policies that Scott Brown ran on. |
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
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Dave W.
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
 Posted - 01/21/2010 : 07:37:14 [Permalink]
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Well, there is at least one bright side to this Democratic debacle; that super-douche Lieberman won't be able to hold the Senate hostage any more.
I wish he'd officially become the Republican that he really is. Currently, he's giving the rest of us Independents a bad name.
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Rubicon95
Skeptic Friend
USA
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Posted - 01/21/2010 : 10:00:53 [Permalink]
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Let me just say this, the Democratic Party riding a wave of populist anger to DC was given a Super-Majority. The republicans were essentially neutralized.
They could pass any legislation. Rangel could have corrected the AMT. War funding could have stopped, they could have rewritten the tax code to a more progressive and equitable code.
and passed Healthcare reform
AND THEY BLEW IT!
Cue Charleton Heston " YOU MANIACS YOU BLEW IT ALL TO HELL " |
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filthy
SFN Die Hard
USA
14408 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2010 : 12:04:02 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Rubicon95
Let me just say this, the Democratic Party riding a wave of populist anger to DC was given a Super-Majority. The republicans were essentially neutralized.
They could pass any legislation. Rangel could have corrected the AMT. War funding could have stopped, they could have rewritten the tax code to a more progressive and equitable code.
and passed Healthcare reform
AND THEY BLEW IT!
Cue Charleton Heston " YOU MANIACS YOU BLEW IT ALL TO HELL "
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Yes they did, didn't they? They -- & Obama -- was more interested in being friends --bipartisanship crap -- than rescuing the country from the bullshit conservative policies that has dragged it into dismal failure. They weren't willing or courageous enough to kick the obstructionist bastards aside and get on with business.
I hope the lesson has been learned. If not, fuck 'em all!
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"What luck for rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler (1889 - 1945)
"If only we could impeach on the basis of criminal stupidity, 90% of the Rethuglicans and half of the Democrats would be thrown out of office." ~~ P.Z. Myres
"The default position of human nature is to punch the other guy in the face and take his stuff." ~~ Dude
Brother Boot Knife of Warm Humanitarianism,
and Crypto-Communist!
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Gorgo
SFN Die Hard
USA
5310 Posts |
Posted - 01/21/2010 : 12:34:30 [Permalink]
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| Blew it? No, they did their job. These people don't work for us. |
I know the rent is in arrears
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Robert Hunter
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Dave W.
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moakley
SFN Regular
USA
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Posted - 01/21/2010 : 19:54:28 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Gorgo
Blew it? No, they did their job. These people don't work for us.
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Wow! And how much more true did that become today and by another 5-4 vote. I think I'll sell my TV prior to the midterms. |
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HalfMooner
Dingaling
Philippines
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Posted - 01/22/2010 : 04:50:20 [Permalink]
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Here's a link to Moonscape News, and one to its Archive. |
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Bill scott
SFN Addict
USA
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Posted - 01/22/2010 : 07:41:06 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
I have a simple question for you, Bill: if Scott Brown was running against Ted Kennedy, who would have won?
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If Barack Obama were running against Abraham Lincoln then who would have won? |
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Bill scott
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Posted - 01/22/2010 : 07:46:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Fripp
My point is that this was NOT a referendum on ObamaCare, but rather a vote on specific candidates, i.e "against" Coakley.
The Right needs to simplify issues to bumper sticker statements and reduce arguments from thousands of shades of gray into neat black-and-white choices.
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We will see come November. So far is Barack is 0-3. He campaigns in Virgina and they elect a repub. Governor. He campaigns in New Jersey and they elect a repub. Governor. He campaigns in Massachusetts and they elect a repub to fill Teddy's seat. Do you see a trend here? |
"Lets get one thing clear, Bill. Science does make some assumptions." -perrodetokio-
"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
The fact that humans do science is what causes errors in science. -Dave W.-
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Bill scott
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Posted - 01/22/2010 : 07:49:33 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dave W.
Exit Survey Of Massachusetts Voters Confirms Lack Of Enthusiasm Among Progressives Hurt Coakley:An exit survey of Massachusetts voters confirms that "decreased turnout among constituencies that historically have voted for progressive candidates," combined with a strong Republican performance among independents, delivered Scott Brown the margins he needed to win...
But even despite the depressed progressive turnout in yesterday's election, a majority of voters (51%) still felt Obama and the Democrats are taking the country in the right direction. DEMOCRATS LEARNING WRONG LESSON FROM MASSACHUSETTS?:"In an election between Scott Brown and the public option, the public option would have won."
– Charles Chamberlain, political director of Democracy for America Exit Poll: Only 38% Said Opposition To Obama Policies Drove Mass Vote (Republican poll results):Bottom line: These exit numbers do paint an uncomfortable picture for Obama and Dems on health care. But if this exit poll is to be believed, it’s way too simplistic to paint last night’s results as a wholesale repudiation of Obama and his entire governing agenda.
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| Bottom line: These exit numbers do paint an uncomfortable picture for Obama and Dems on health care. But if this exit poll is to be believed, it’s way too simplistic to paint last night’s results as a wholesale repudiation of Obama and his entire governing agenda. |
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"In the end as skeptics we must realize that there is no real knowledge, there is only what is most reasonable to believe." -Coelacanth-
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Poll: Scott Brown to Win Massachusetts
