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cantbe323
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When you buy a prescription drug, nowhere on the bottle do you find any guarantee that it will work for you, only ingredients and instructions, and other than aspirin, the effect you expect may or may not occur. The reason pseudodoctors get away with it is the buyers have their own self doubts, didn't do it right, had the wrong attitude, etc.
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HalfMooner
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 20:54:16 [Permalink]
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| Personally, I think you're a pseudoskeptic. AKA a cynic. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 22:19:54 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
When you buy a prescription drug, nowhere on the bottle do you find any guarantee that it will work for you, only ingredients and instructions, and other than aspirin, the effect you expect may or may not occur. |
Why would anyone expect a "guarantee" of any sort when people's physiology varies by a large amount?| The reason pseudodoctors get away with it is the buyers have their own self doubts, didn't do it right, had the wrong attitude, etc. |
Um, no... You're describing the excuses that the "alternative medicine" crowd offers up when their nostrums do nothing (or worse). |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/19/2010 : 22:20:57 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by HalfMooner
Personally, I think you're a pseudoskeptic. AKA a cynic. |
No, this person appears to be a contrarian. |
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bngbuck
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 00:10:12 [Permalink]
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cantbe323......
I am diabetic, have coronary artery disease and congestive heart failure. I have taken a number of medications for years which literally keep me alive from month to month. Stopping any of them would very likely be fatal in a short time.| the effect you expect may or may not occur. The reason pseudodoctors get away with it is the buyers have their own self doubts, didn't do it right, had the wrong attitude, etc. |
The effect I expect is to stay alive. I'm still here after 81 years.
With the idiotic concerns that you express, I would strongly suggest that you stay away from pseudodoctors!
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 01:48:45 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
When you buy a prescription drug, nowhere on the bottle do you find any guarantee that it will work for you, only ingredients and instructions, and other than aspirin, the effect you expect may or may not occur. |
Please clarify what you mean with may or may not occur.
Paracetamol works poorly on me to alleviate headache. Acetylsalic acid works very well. The effect of morphin varies very much between individuals, and there's a scientific explanation for this. The reason hides in the genes.
The reason pseudodoctors get away with it is the buyers have their own self doubts, didn't do it right, had the wrong attitude, etc.
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You're talking about homeopaths and other New Age "alt medicine" peddlers, right?
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the_ignored
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 04:49:13 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by bngbuck
cantbe323......
I am diabetic, have coronary artery disease and congestive heart failure. I have taken a number of medications for years which literally keep me alive from month to month. Stopping any of them would very likely be fatal in a short time.| the effect you expect may or may not occur. The reason pseudodoctors get away with it is the buyers have their own self doubts, didn't do it right, had the wrong attitude, etc. |
The effect I expect is to stay alive. I'm still here after 81 years.
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And still ornery as all-git out, too!  |
>From: enuffenuff@fastmail.fm
(excerpt follows):
> I'm looking to teach these two bastards a lesson they'll never forget.
> Personal visit by mates of mine. No violence, just a wee little chat.
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> **** has also committed more crimes than you can count with his
> incitement of hatred against a religion. That law came in about 2007
> much to ****'s ignorance. That is fact and his writing will become well
> know as well as him becoming a publicly known icon of hatred.
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> Good luck with that fuckwit. And Reynold, fucking run, and don't stop.
> Disappear would be best as it was you who dared to attack me on my
> illness knowing nothing of the cause. You disgust me and you are top of
> the list boy. Again, no violence. Just regular reminders of who's there
> and visits to see you are behaving. Nothing scary in reality. But I'd
> still disappear if I was you.
What brought that on? this. Original posting here.
Another example of this guy's lunacy here. |
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filthy
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 Posted - 01/20/2010 : 04:58:37 [Permalink]
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The VA will happily prescribe me all of the Oxycodone I can eat -- suck that one up, Rush! -- and I won't take them nor any other opiate derivative. They bother my stomach and cause me to go into a depression; something I have enough of under normal circumstances. Others can take it and it works, and with Rush, it work so well that he has a craving for it.
Drug prescriptions are often trial & error until something works. That is why there are no guarantees and plenty of warnings on drug labels -- they err on the side of caution.
What pray, is your definition of a "psuedodoctor?" Or a psuedoanything, comes to that?
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Dr. Mabuse
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 07:38:21 [Permalink]
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Before I got my hip-replacement, I used to pop 300mg of tramadol and 50mg Oxy and two sleeping pills before going to bed. That usually bought me 3hours and if I was very lucky, 4.5 hours of uninterrupted sleep. These says, just a 75mg slow-release (12hrs) only makes me nauseous.
Obviously, they do have a measure of effect. |
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Cuneiformist
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 12:50:03 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by Dr. Mabuse
Before I got my hip-replacement, I used to pop 300mg of tramadol and 50mg Oxy and two sleeping pills before going to bed. That usually bought me 3hours and if I was very lucky, 4.5 hours of uninterrupted sleep. These says, just a 75mg slow-release (12hrs) only makes me nauseous.
Obviously, they do have a measure of effect.
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But Mab don't you see-- they are just guessing. These "pseudodoctors" have no idea what they are doing. And the major drug companies-- they just make shit up. You are just lucky that every pill you've taken has worked exactly like it was "supposed" to work. Because really, no one knows anything about medicine. All just crap. |
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cantbe323
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 13:09:18 [Permalink]
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You're talking about homeopaths and other New Age "alt medicine" peddlers, right? >>
Those too... Pseudomedicine is far reaching. Of course, much of the effect of any medicine is psychomatic, and that only works if you have blind faith that it will.
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cantbe323
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 13:19:52 [Permalink]
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Personally, I think you're a pseudoskeptic. AKA a cynic.] >>
Not pseudo but a real skeptic, and if that also translates into cynicism, so be it. I don't believe anyone sets out to deceive. Circumstances he has no control over forces him into doing things he wouldn't ordinarily do.
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Cuneiformist
The Imperfectionist
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 15:38:22 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
Of course, much of the effect of any medicine is psychomatic, and that only works if you have blind faith that it will. |
This must be the dumbest comment SFN has had in a long time. |
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Dave W.
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 15:47:53 [Permalink]
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Originally posted by cantbe323
Not pseudo but a real skeptic... |
Not if you think that seismographs are the only tool we have for studying the inside of the Earth, you're not. |
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ThorGoLucky
Snuggle Wolf
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Posted - 01/20/2010 : 16:41:15 [Permalink]
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cantbe323 is a troll and/or anti-science (ignorant of science) naysayer where most everything he knows about the world is upside down.
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Blind faith in drugs
